The 22 creedmoor thread

Is it calibrated for actual case volume and throat dimensions? I don't trust the tools absolutely but if you're getting 250ish FPS faster than what the tool says is mid 50k PSI, you're probably above SAAMI pressure. Whether that is a problem or not, beats me.



Have you had primer pockets actually get loose on Alpha or Lapua SRP brass in a standard case head? I'd think that a guy would would have to be pretty damn hot to get that kind of result.

I have. When working up loads for my 7-08AI, I had a pretty spicy Varget/162 ELDX load that would loosen up primer pockets on Lapua brass after 3 firings. No bolt lift issues or ejector swipe at all.
Dropped it down by 1.2 grains and I am at 12 firings on that brass without an issue.
 
These are some of my 1st shots with this barrel, PVA 16", shoots lights out. I know the 22 creedmoor is famous for hiding pressures, so I'm just not sure. The default for the round in Gordan's is 48grains of H2O, I measured mine at 51.88 grains so that's what's in the model. Just seems fast, which to me indicates higher pressure, but I see people on this thread going higher in grains that I am. Just wanted to double check with this group to make sure I'm thinking about it correctly.
 
These are some of my 1st shots with this barrel, PVA 16", shoots lights out. I know the 22 creedmoor is famous for hiding pressures, so I'm just not sure. The default for the round in Gordan's is 48grains of H2O, I measured mine at 51.88 grains so that's what's in the model. Just seems fast, which to me indicates higher pressure, but I see people on this thread going higher in grains that I am. Just wanted to double check with this group to make sure I'm thinking about it correctly.
To me your loads and velocities say you are on or close to the SAAMI 62k pressure limit.
People who load higher than this (there are many) at the best wont have their brass last and at worst risk a serious failure.
 
I have a question? I'm seeing way more velocity with actual vs Gordan's reloading tool. I've attached a quick picture of a table that captures it. I'm not seeing any pressure signs, but he velocities are well above what GRT calculates. This is 2x shot brass. Stay here or go higher?View attachment 888686
I ran my numbers through GRT and am around 61400 at 39gr h4350 peterson brass. I've got a longer than saami freebore so should be a touch lower in reality. I've got a 20' barrel averaging 3055 fps but just cracked 100 rounds through barrel. GRT underestimates my measured velocity by about 40 fps if that's helpful at all. Seeing zero pressure signs primers look new when popped other than the firing pin impact.
 
I ran my numbers through GRT and am around 61400 at 39gr h4350 peterson brass. I've got a longer than saami freebore so should be a touch lower in reality. I've got a 20' barrel averaging 3055 fps but just cracked 100 rounds through barrel. GRT underestimates my measured velocity by about 40 fps if that's helpful at all. Seeing zero pressure signs primers look new when popped other than the firing pin impact.
You must not being using grt correctly. Freebore is irrelevant and it would be with 1 or 2fps if you correct the burn rates and use measured case volumes like you should.
If you're not doing that you have no idea what the pressure is. Even if you are doing that the pressure might not be that spot on, just the increased accuracy of velocity prediction with that combo.
 
You must not being using grt correctly. Freebore is irrelevant and it would be with 1 or 2fps if you correct the burn rates and use measured case volumes like you should.
If you're not doing that you have no idea what the pressure is. Even if you are doing that the pressure might not be that spot on, just the increased accuracy of velocity prediction with that combo.

I don't think you understood what I said, I might not have been very clear. From what I've been able to find GRT is a tool to give you an idea of what's going on but it's not going to be 100% spot on, there's too many variables and grt cannot account for all of them. My case volume is measured correctly as per grt recommendations and every other measurable parameter has been accounted for. The fact it can predict within 40 fps when it doesn't know primer or distance from the lands is fairly impressive. He has either a parameter wrong, or an unaccounted variable that gives higher speeds in his gun. But 3000 out of a 18 doesn't sound crazy when I'm getting 3055 at 20" with 39gr
 
I don't think you understood what I said, I might not have been very clear. From what I've been able to find GRT is a tool to give you an idea of what's going on but it's not going to be 100% spot on, there's too many variables and grt cannot account for all of them. My case volume is measured correctly as per grt recommendations and every other measurable parameter has been accounted for. The fact it can predict within 40 fps when it doesn't know primer or distance from the lands is fairly impressive. He has either a parameter wrong, or an unaccounted variable that gives higher speeds in his gun. But 3000 out of a 18 doesn't sound crazy when I'm getting 3055 at 20" with 39gr
Still a decent program...... and damn close im running 42.2 grains of n555 behind a 80.5 berger 3205 fps from a 22" ...same rifle dose 80 eldx at 3175 with 41.5 n555 and 41 grains with a 80 eldm dose 3129 fps all load using alpha brass and fed 210 m. All loads half moa or under 3.633" with 80.5 and 3.685" coal with 80 eldm/x zero pressure all loads are at least a full .5-.6 under anything that would even signify pressure at all.
 
Thanks for the replies, what I'm interested in is a better understand of where I might be with pressure using GRT. For example, my 88ELDM load at 38.5g of H4350, with my trued information in GRT, the velocity prediction is 2,747 and my actual is 2,949, 200fps faster seems out of line....or is it? Is the barrel just fast? For me to get to 2,929 in GRT I need to load up to 41.2 gr and the estimated pressure would be 67, 270. At my current 38.5gr load, GRT says I'm at 55,406....but that pressure sure doesn't match velocity I'm seeing. I'm not looking for more velocity. I'm super happy at 38.5 and 2,949, but is my pressure still too high?

I might be overthinking this as well!!
 
Thanks for the replies, what I'm interested in is a better understand of where I might be with pressure using GRT. For example, my 88ELDM load at 38.5g of H4350, with my trued information in GRT, the velocity prediction is 2,747 and my actual is 2,949, 200fps faster seems out of line....or is it? Is the barrel just fast? For me to get to 2,929 in GRT I need to load up to 41.2 gr and the estimated pressure would be 67, 270. At my current 38.5gr load, GRT says I'm at 55,406....but that pressure sure doesn't match velocity I'm seeing. I'm not looking for more velocity. I'm super happy at 38.5 and 2,949, but is my pressure still too high?

I might be overthinking this as well!!
Your definitely not high those load are closer to 59k-61 depending on freebire length and seating depth ect your gtg
 
.100 FB and seating .005 off Jam, bullet boat tail essentially at the shoulder/neck junction. Room to go 1 grain?
If your showing zero signs of pressure you could go up most likly .3-.7 more most likly max befor seeing slight ejected marks or swipe or flat primers ext. I typically run min .015" off and most everything at .025-.032" off and can most the time stomp a little harder.

Also we had really good luck with n565 and h1000 with 88s ....give a bit more speed 3300 fps in a 24" 22 creed.
 
Mine started speeding up around the 100 rd mark shooting 80.5 Bergers with H4350 in a Proof CF prefit. I enjoy shooting it so much, I bought a heavy steel barrel to shoot also.
 
I think i only have about 150 through my Proof. I'm at 40.5 H4350 and getting right at 3300 with an 80.5 Berger.
 
Thanks for the replies, what I'm interested in is a better understand of where I might be with pressure using GRT. For example, my 88ELDM load at 38.5g of H4350, with my trued information in GRT, the velocity prediction is 2,747 and my actual is 2,949, 200fps faster seems out of line....or is it? Is the barrel just fast? For me to get to 2,929 in GRT I need to load up to 41.2 gr and the estimated pressure would be 67, 270. At my current 38.5gr load, GRT says I'm at 55,406....but that pressure sure doesn't match velocity I'm seeing. I'm not looking for more velocity. I'm super happy at 38.5 and 2,949, but is my pressure still too high?

I might be overthinking this as well!!
That is a big delta between measured and predicted velocities, my differences have been 50fps or less so there may be a variable off. I just went through this exact thing wanting to run 4350 and 88s without a lot of data and also not wanting to push my brass to hard on first fire. That's what led me to start checking my work with GRT. I settled on 39gr for now going 3060 from a 20" if that helps at all. Grt shows 61400 for that load. Tried single shots up to 41gr and still no heavy bolt or ejector marks but when I popped the primers they were starting to muffin top or flatten very slightly. I had a pretty flat spot in velocities between 38.5 and 39.5gr then a pretty big jump from 39.5 to 40 so took that as a pressure sign and will stay at 39 at least until all my brass is formed. At 39gr the primers are coming out looking like new. As stated by others I just cracked 100 rounds on barrel so things could change
 
How long of a barrel? Im running n555 with a 22" and getting 3200 but this barrel only at 90 rounds needs more break in.
22'', I think the summer heats has sped it up some also. I won't push it any harder, if anything, back off a little. I'm actually using 39.5 in a Wilson Steel barrel from Urban Rifleman on another forum, that's a little over 3200fps right now, I'm breaking it. It shoots so well, with zero pressure at that node, I'm sticking with it for now.
 
For those interested today I ran 80.5 bergers at my 2.633 coal" n565 from 42-46.3 grains speed went from 2880-3250 nothing shot better than 5/8" adverage was 3/4" at 100.....my n555 load is 3219 but easily 3/8" all day long . Alpha munitions larg rifle primer brass fed 210 match.
 
For those interested today I ran 80.5 bergers at my 2.633 coal" n565 from 42-46.3 grains speed went from 2880-3250 nothing shot better than 5/8" adverage was 3/4" at 100.....my n555 load is 3219 but easily 3/8" all day long . Alpha munitions larg rifle primer brass fed 210 match.

How many rounds for a group are you shooting? FWIW, at minimum I look at 10 round groups to get an idea of what a rifle/load combo is doing.

If those are 10 round groups color me impressed.
 
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