The 22 creedmoor thread

[amassi]

For those of you who think the 80 eld-x and eld-m are the same bullet but marketed/ packaged differently.
Noslers been making identical shape, weight and bc accubonds and ballistic tips for a long time. Tip color is different obviously
They’re clearly different bullets when shot into animals though or when sectioned
One also had a price premium do to mfg costs of bonding
There’s likely a mfg cost associated with the eld-x and a cost benefit to share jacket profiles even if one is thicker or base is different etc.

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[Lawnboi]

For those of you who think the 80 eld-x and eld-m are the same bullet but marketed/ packaged differently.
Noslers been making identical shape, weight and bc accubonds and ballistic tips for a long time. Tip color is different obviously
They’re clearly different bullets when shot into animals though or when sectioned
One also had a price premium do to mfg costs of bonding
There’s likely a mfg cost associated with the eld-x and a cost benefit to share jacket profiles even if one is thicker or base is different etc.

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Someone here has the means to cut a couple in half.

I’m sure they are a different bullet. But it is a head scratcher how they got the same bc weight and oal.

I’ll be shooting some into some meat here soon hopefully. I’m hoping they work as well as the tmk.

 

[willfrye027]

Thanks for the feedback, might try the H4350 as a starting point and work from there.
Will give the 80’s a shot too. I am also not convinced the eldm and eldx isn't just the same bullet with different marketing.

On another note, What’s this I read about bullets blowing up? Over spinning? Is this anything I should worry about with a 1/7” twist with certain bullets? I would assume that’s only light bullets going at very high rpm’s that could be a problem.

I was over spinning 88s in a 1/7 and they would blow up about 1 in 10 of them. I don’t know of any other heavies where it’s an issue. Try to not overheat your barrel, shoot for the moon on velocity, and hope your barrel doesn’t chew them up..

 

[Miflatlander91]

I was over spinning 88s in a 1/7 and they would blow up about 1 in 10 of them. I don’t know of any other heavies where it’s an issue. Try to not overheat your barrel, shoot for the moon on velocity, and hope your barrel doesn’t chew them up..

How fast were you shooting them


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[HighUintas]

Has anyone got the 88s to shoot well?

 

[SouthPaw]

Has anyone got the 88s to shoot well?

Yes. 20" 7.5 twist with H1000, Alpha srp, cci450. It provides good case fill and consistently good groups at distance, but not a speed demon (3060fps). 1-1.2moa 10 shot groups at 100.

 

[huntnful]

500 pieces of alpha brass chamfered inside and out.



I’m going to do some testing on the neck preparation, so I’m not going to fully prep them all yet.

Basically I’m going to do a 30 round group with what I believe is optimum neck prepping prior to loading.

Then test groups with different prep and see how they compare.

Just dropped the barrel off for the build yesterday.

 

[david2duck]

Has anyone got the 88s to shoot well?

Yes. 10 round groups averaging 1.25. Shooting very well at distance. Hopefully I’ll get to test it out on a big mule buck this weekend.

 

[HighUintas]

Yes. 10 round groups averaging 1.25. Shooting very well at distance. Hopefully I’ll get to test it out on a big mule buck this weekend.

What twist and powder?

 

[david2duck]

7 twist and h4350

 

[willfrye027]

How fast were you shooting them


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3050-3100 in a 26” barrel. At first it was 1 in every 100 rounds then it was 1 in every 10. This barrel is 1:8 and no issues with that

 

[Miflatlander91]

O wow I would have guessed way faster than that to get that many to blow up interesting


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[HighCascadeHunter]

For those of you who think the 80 eld-x and eld-m are the same bullet but marketed/ packaged differently.
Noslers been making identical shape, weight and bc accubonds and ballistic tips for a long time. Tip color is different obviously
They’re clearly different bullets when shot into animals though or when sectioned
One also had a price premium do to mfg costs of bonding
There’s likely a mfg cost associated with the eld-x and a cost benefit to share jacket profiles even if one is thicker or base is different etc.

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So my question then is there a practical, real world difference between the ELDX and eldm that anyone has observed? I understand the jacket thickness is slightly different and there is a very tiny interlock on the ELDX, but how much does that do when it comes to killing? Don’t want to hijack this into a bullet comparison, so I’m really just asking specifically between the .22 cal 80 grain options.

 

[Lawnboi]

500 pieces of alpha brass chamfered inside and out.

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I’m going to do some testing on the neck preparation, so I’m not going to fully prep them all yet.

Basically I’m going to do a 30 round group with what I believe is optimum neck prepping prior to loading.

Then test groups with different prep and see how they compare.

Just dropped the barrel off for the build yesterday.

This should be interesting. You’re going to burn that barrel down quick.

If you log velocity for everything that would be interesting as well.

 

[waspocrew]

Has anyone got the 88s to shoot well?

Yes, they shoot well for me with RL-23. 1:7.5 twist. They shoot great out of my 1:8 22/250 AI as well.

 

[huntnful]

This should be interesting. You’re going to burn that barrel down quick.

If you log velocity for everything that would be interesting as well.

Oh I’ll absolutely log velocity most of the time. For documenting the barrel speed up, as well as velocity decline once the throat starts to go

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Someone here has the means to cut a couple in half.

I’m sure they are a different bullet. But it is a head scratcher how they got the same bc weight and oal.

I’ll be shooting some into some meat here soon hopefully. I’m hoping they work as well as the tmk.

80 ELDX shows excellent results in gel/plywood tests, with similar impact velocities it’s basically indistinguishable from 77 TMK, with a slight edge favoring the TMK in consistency.

On coyotes at similar impact velocities they also produce near identical results in vitals and bone.

My example of just one big game kill with 80 ELDX is not enough information, but results were positive. Should be somewhere around 10–12 big game kills by February.

 

[ChrisAU]

22 Creed got its first victim this morning, 291 yard with 75 gr ELDM. Poor shot placement by me on the first shot required a 2nd one, but he died 10 feet from his bed.

 

[eLightfoot]

Has anyone got the 88s to shoot

Yup. 43.5gr RL-26, 26” 7.5 twist pbb prefit. My barrel shoots every bullet I’ve tried with rl26 except the 77tmk.

 

[DEW0341]

Couple more 80 ELDX kills, from California this time.

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ELDX in California? Don’t you have to use mono’s?


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