Temp for leaving elk carcass overnight

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Say you put an elk down as the sun was setting.. shot was fatal. If you were unable to break down the animal until the morning, how cold would it have to be for all the meat to still be good by the next morning?

Say you were able to gut the animal but needed to wait until first light to break it down?
 
I mean, in theory I'd also focus on getting the hide off. It retains a LOT of heat. You take on some insect risk but I'd rather that than spoilage. But what about the sun going down stops you from at least quartering and hanging it? All that means for me is headlamp-time. Here's yours truly on a 3am pack-out. (It didn't take THAT long to break down - this was the last trip, for the head/rack which is what I'm carrying.)

Not virtue-signaling here, but our group ONLY does pack-outs at night. Daytime is for filling tags. Nighttime is the best time to field-dress IMO - you aren't baking under the sun, and the insects are usually not active.

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If ur not prepared to spend the night taking care of the animal don’t take the shot, that’s always been my rule. Even snow is an insulator and meat on the ground against the snow can spoil. It’s your job as the hunter to do everything possible to take care of every bit of meat and chance of spoilage.

IMO shooting one close to dark then not being willing to spend the time to fully take care of it is greed. Unless something suddenly becomes life threatening

Guts, hide, bone all hold heat, you gotta atleast get hide off and quarters away from the carcass hanging. If it’s cold start a fire, if ur afraid of the dark well you shouldn’t have risked being out.


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One other thing, if you're new to elk hunting and just weren't sure that this is standard (it is - we've all done it), you might also find the task itself daunting at first. I'd definitely recommend watching some Youtube videos, especially the "gutless method" (there are a bunch on that).

If you're not literally scraping ribs to get every last ounce of meat, the "legally" required four quarters, straps, and loins can be done in an hour, and without gutting. It's a really helpful technique because if you have an elk down by say 7, you can have it quartered by 8-9 pretty easily even if you're new at it. Depending on how far you are from base camp, with at least one buddy helping you can be packed out by midnight.
 
I would never choose to leave hide on a full elk overnight regardless of temps.
I prefer to break it down in the dark anyway as daytime usually means flies and bees.

IMO...gutting does almost nothing to help...the only meat it exposes is inner-tenderloins...the rear quarters are still going to rot.
 
IMO...gutting does almost nothing to help...the only meat it exposes is inner-tenderloins...the rear quarters are still going to rot.

I'm not advocating for leaving an animal laying all night, but removing the guts will scrub quite a bit of heat very quickly. If it weren't going to get very cold, a gutted carcass would fair far better than an ungutted animal. Plus you have to consider the gasses coming off the guts which start to build up in 2-3 hours regardless of conditions. "almost nothing"? far from it.

Still though, turn those headlamps on and get to work or don't take the shot.
 
Stuff happens, but if this scenario is something that would keep you from taking care of the animal properly due to darkness, etc - I’d pass on the shot. Even in cold temps, the hide will hold a lot of heat.

Do your best to at least break it down in the dark. I’ve done some packing at night and it just adds to the adventure.
 
Completely anecdotal, but a friend of my FIL shot a good bull right before dark, across a huge canyon a couple of years ago. It was late October and was sub 35 degrees that night. He didn't see the bull go down, so he didn't find him that night and decided to go back in the morning .My FIL called me that night for help in the morning. I could smell that bull 50 yards before I laid eyes on him. Very little salvageable meat. This was a 70 year old man that had absolutely no business shooting that bull where he was at.
 
Just to play the other side of this... before we got backpacking figured out. we would gut and leave animals to come back in with horses or take half out and come back for the other half the next day. people do this with deer all the time. I have never had meat spoil. If nights are below 40 and daytime highs are below 55 you can get by leaving hide on.
IF and When we would do this, we would gut them, get them propped up on sticks or logs, split the skin to get air between the ribs and the shoulder, cut down to the ball joint in the hip and dislocate it and maybe split the muscles in the rear ham. spread the legs and rib cage with sticks. I'm sure hide off and packed immediately is better, but I quite like aging quarters with the hide on for a week when I can. It's a lot more organized when butchering and you waste less with drying.
I think everybody in america would be shocked to see how meat is handled in most warmer countries of the world. All of the advice above is great and leads to great meat, but if you're trying and get good air flow it should be okay. I don't think it saves any work and might add a step compared to gutless. It just changes the timing of some of the work.
 
people do this with deer all the time.

Deer don't have anywhere close to the amount of muscle density or bone size of an elk. Also, an elk's hide is thicker with longer hair. Generally, the more mass an animal has, the longer it will hold heat; a dead mouse will cool much quicker than a dead fox.
 
Say you put an elk down as the sun was setting.. shot was fatal. If you were unable to break down the animal until the morning, how cold would it have to be for all the meat to still be good by the next morning?

Say you were able to gut the animal but needed to wait until first light to break it down?
I've done that with a couple deer, one bull elk and one moose.

With deer I gut them, split the pelvis and rib cage, lay it on it’s back, put a couple rocks or sticks under it, split the hide on the inside of the hams, almost remove both shoulders and split that hide too. Skin some of the hide down each side of the neck. Pretty much expose meat facing the sky. 35 or below they have been fine. If it is not going to freeze or be close to it, say 42-44 max, I cut into the ham to the bone and open that all up. Never tried it when any warmer. Piss a circle around the carcass and leave a sweaty shirt or two there too. Seems to help keep coyotes away, so far.

With the bull elk and moose, one of each, below 35 in both cases. Same routine. But not so easy to get air under them, so skin the neck/hams/shoulders more. Not sure I’d try it with one unless freezing or very close to it.

I did make the mistake of leaving a gutted deer overnight when 10 below. Just gutted it, layed him over a log, none of the other stuff. Had to saw off the legs to fit the frozen thing in my pickup bed. Ford Ranger with a cab high canopy, was lucky to have a good saw with me. Was my first experience with hunting when that cold, lesson learned.

Meat was just fine in all cases. But it's not something I seek to do. It’s more of matter of terrain and help. If I had to, I was prepared to fully quarter and bone it out if necessary, then recover meat the next morning. Our last bull was killed in Nov, in a real bad spot at dark. Low 30’s at the time, we had motivated young help, and got him out in pieces by 1am.
 
Deer don't have anywhere close to the amount of muscle density or bone size of an elk. Also, an elk's hide is thicker with longer hair. Generally, the more mass an animal has, the longer it will hold heat; a dead mouse will cool much quicker than a dead fox.
Correct, but I've still never had one spoil.

Saw a friend's that was close, warm day, meat started getting clear liquid around the joints. even edible meat combined with a few things that seem off and any kind of smell can really get in your head.
 
I shot the bull in my pic solo, about an hour before dark. I quartered him up and got him all hung up around 10-11pm. It was really warm, only got down to about 50 that night. I took one load back to my camp site, took a 5 hour nap and got up early and started humping him off the mountain. It was 70s during the day - I knew I had to work fast. 3 loads, a sore back he was back to my truck in the chest freezer by about 5pm. I made sure to keep quarters in the shade while hauling loads.

You owe it to that animal to process it properly, in a timely manner. If you can't do that, don't take the shot.

I had a friend who was in a similar situation years ago and he lost most of his bull due to meat spoilage. He shot it in a hell hole and was very out of shape. Took him and another buddy days to get it out. 70 degree temps will kill meat fast.

I train my ass off physically to prepare for this. Again, don't take a shot, or even hunt in an area where this might happen.
 
Besides grizzly bears, what other reason would there be to not break down an animal in the dark?

Coyotes, black bear, and/or mountain lion could, best case, put a dent in your meat, maybe make a utter mess of carcass by twisting it and pulling it around or attempting to bury it. Worst case, they most or all of it.
I finished getting an elk hung up right at dark this past Oct and herd coyotes howling on the carcass before first light.
 
I agree with what everyone else is saying.

If you are able to get to it and get it gutted out it's a moral responsibility to get the hide off and at least get it into quarters. Then hang them in a tree if possible. Worse case scenario, get spacing off the ground so you can have air flow around it. Less contact with the meat the better.

Plan to be back there early morning in the dark and be packing out.

There has been more than once that I was absolutely physically exhausted and was not wanting to pack out quarters by myself to 3am+. Last thing on earth I was wanting to do........however I sucked it up and got it done. If I shoot an animal, I hold myself accountable.
 
Coyotes, black bear, and/or mountain lion could, best case, put a dent in your meat, maybe make a utter mess of carcass by twisting it and pulling it around or attempting to bury it. Worst case, they most or all of it.
I finished getting an elk hung up right at dark this past Oct and herd coyotes howling on the carcass before first light.
That's my point. If you can get to the elk why not quarter and get into game bags to avoid losing it to critters?
 
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