Talk me out of Swaro

[stevewes2004]

I feel the same way. I spend a lot of time hunting south Texas bucks and you see the monsters a whole lot less coming to a feeder. Having a good spotter and Binos will help you pick apart slopes from a half mile away before deciding where to setup or start a stalk. If you’re happy not going after the biggest buck in an area, then you don’t need Swarovski optics, but if someone really wants to get a good clear view at distance you will have to pay to play. The razor line of optics is a GREAT product for its price range, but it still doesn’t hold a candle to Swarovski at low light and glassing clarity at distance. There is a clear difference when trying to score an animal at 500+ between swaro and vortex. But again, depends on your budget and hunting style. They’re sure aren’t for everyone.

You mentioned the difference though. Stalking...

If you have tried and true stands that don’t move, a pair of $2k binoculars are no advantage.

 

[full choke]

So.... which way is the OP leaning here?

12x50 EL's
or
6x32 Tasco's and a Gunwerkz .338 edge? (scope tbd on another thread...)

 

[tdhanses]

LOL

I like how some folks act like you can only see game with swaros and everything else is equivalent to looking through a coke bottle.

We must spend time on different forums then.

All the gushing and fanboy love for Swaros is nearly enough reason alone for me not to use them. I wouldn't want to be mistaken for an operator you know. LOL They are good, but I don't consider them a great value anymore. When you could get a pair of SLC's used for under $1K (I bought both my pairs of SLC's for under $900 actually) they were a decent value. Now they are just overpriced. Particularly since there are so many models within a breath of the Swaros that cost 1/2 as much.

Plenty here with Leica and Zeiss binos, read the articles on the home page and you’ll see plenty of reviews. Now sorry most people ask hey should I get vortex or Swaro, seems most people that haven’t had alpha optics gravitate to Swaro and also believe vortex is great, for my eyes I don’t like vortex and yup I’ve had their higher level optics from binos to spotters. I’ve had plenty of Swaro options in rifle scopes, binos and spotters and currently don’t own any, only because I like to try new things. My current setup is Leica and Kowa and they are both amazing optics.

In the end all our eyes different, just have to find what works for your eyes. I 100% believe alpha optics are superior to mid grade but who am I to tell someone what works for me and to invest that much.

Use what you can afford but don’t try to sell your $500 optic as being equal to any alphas glass, it just isn’t happening no matter how much you try to believe it so that you don’t talk yourself into upgrading.

 

[Ronb]

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[Newtosavage]

So.... which way is the OP leaning here?

12x50 EL's
or
6x32 Tasco's and a Gunwerkz .338 edge? (scope tbd on another thread...)

You know they don't make 6x32 Tascos anymore. Don't be ridiculous. LOL

 

[Newtosavage]

For the record, I personally have no brand loyalty in optics, or other hunting gear. I'll buy what works best for me, based on my evaluation. Period.

Same.

 

[gregory r]

One thing about Swarovski is the customer service. I'm not talking only about warranty repair, but optional service. Like having a bino for 20 years, and having the option to send it in for the latest lenses, prisms, and coatings installed for a few hundred dollars. I have 2 binos that have had that done. Dont know any other company that offers that kind of service.

 

[Trial153]

You cant go far wrong with any glass from the big three. I know it sounds narrow minded but i really dont even put any others on the menu at this point.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Having looked through sigs and swaros side by side I dont think you are missing much if anything. I certainly didnt feel any need to upgrade after playing with my buddy’s swaros. With that said, when I bought a spotter I went with a swaro 65 because I felt the higher power would show the benefit of better glass. Looking through that next to a razor 85 in the field the smaller objective swaro isnt good enough to be brighter than the big razor in low light. More crisp...yeah a little but like I said before, they arent magic. We are talking about maybe a few % better performance at the cost of several hundred dollars, only the guy spending his money can decide if its worth it.

If we cross paths next time I am down your way wouldn’t mind checking your SIGS. I switched into swaro this year, main thing I note aside from a crisp image is less eye strain after hours behind them. It’s the first season I came out of not wishing for a bit better eye experience glassing as I incrementally upgraded.

 

[WRO]

LOL

I like how some folks act like you can only see game with swaros and everything else is equivalent to looking through a coke bottle.

We must spend time on different forums then.

All the gushing and fanboy love for Swaros is nearly enough reason alone for me not to use them. I wouldn't want to be mistaken for an operator you know. LOL They are good, but I don't consider them a great value anymore. When you could get a pair of SLC's used for under $1K (I bought both my pairs of SLC's for under $900 actually) they were a decent value. Now they are just overpriced. Particularly since there are so many models within a breath of the Swaros that cost 1/2 as much.

You used to be able to buy a new truck for 25k too..

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[Newtosavage]

You used to be able to buy a new truck for 25k too..

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Yea, it's been 3 years since I was able to do that.

 

[Felix40]

If we cross paths next time I am down your way wouldn’t mind checking your SIGS. I switched into swaro this year, main thing I note aside from a crisp image is less eye strain after hours behind them. It’s the first season I came out of not wishing for a bit better eye experience glassing as I incrementally upgraded.

Count on it.
I imagine Ill want to come check out your sheep anyway.

 

[ManBearGoose]

So.... which way is the OP leaning here?

12x50 EL's
or
6x32 Tasco's and a Gunwerkz .338 edge? (scope tbd on another thread...)

To be honest, right now I’m leaning towards a set of SLC 15’s. Keep the razor 10’s I’ve got for on my chest/handheld and use the 15’s as my primary finding glass. The only thing is, right now my only option for getting any glass is through Cabela’s/BP since most of my funds are tied up in gift cards. I have noticed that they charge quite a bit more for Swarovski than other places.

 

[ljalberta]

I'm not sure what their policy is now days, but Cabela's used to do price matching. Worth an ask thats for sure.

 

[3forks]

I think some should consider new gear purchases based on how hard they hunt, because lot of guys seem to like buying gear more than they actually like to hunt.

Undoubtedly, any premium optics are going to perform better than Vortex. The glass, coatings, and tolerances are simply just better. How much better is somewhat debatable.

However, if you’re the kind of guy that likes the concept of hunting more than actually doing it - save your money. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to own the “best” if you have the means to do it. But, what good is it to own Swaros or any premium glass if you don’t put that much effort into a hunt?

Put it like this, if I buy a 95mm Swaro ATX but don’t have the fitness to pack it, or pack it but can’t get to a good glassing location because I’m too gassed, or bail on my hunt early because I’m not that committed to the hunt, why spend the money?

 

[Trial153]

I think some should consider new gear purchases based on how hard they hunt, because lot of guys seem to like buying gear more than they actually like to hunt.

Undoubtedly, any premium optics are going to perform better than Vortex. The glass, coatings, and tolerances are simply just better. How much better is somewhat debatable.

However, if you’re the kind of guy that likes the concept of hunting more than actually doing it - save your money. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to own the “best” if you have the means to do it. But, what good is it to own Swaros or any premium glass if you don’t put that much effort into a hunt?

Put it like this, if I buy a 95mm Swaro ATX but don’t have the fitness to pack it, or pack it but can’t get to a good glassing location because I’m too gassed, or bail on my hunt early because I’m not that committed to the hunt, why spend the money?

The more you spend the less you hunt. Got it. Scratching my head on this one.

 

[3forks]

The more you spend the less you hunt. Got it. Scratching my head on this one.

That’s what you got from what I wrote? That’s not what I’m saying at all.

I own swaro optics, but I may as well have bought Tasco if I don’t put much effort into my hunts.

My point is why worry about spending more on premium optics if you’d prefer to sleep in or get back to camp early and not glass when the performance of premium optics really differentiates themselves from mid tier brands?

 

[Trial153]

That’s what you got from what I wrote? That’s not what I’m saying at all.

I own swaro optics, but I may as well have bought Tasco if I don’t put much effort into my hunts.

My point is why worry about spending more on premium optics if you’d prefer to sleep in or get back to camp early and not glass when the performance of premium optics really differentiates themselves from mid tier brands?

If you cant carry a swaro up a hill you probably cant carry a leupold either.
I dont see how they are mutually exclusive?

If your saying that if you only hunt 5 days a year your wasting your money sitting behind a set of els or Hts or geovids.... i get that. If thats what your saying then i am onboard with you.

 

[tdhanses]

If you cant carry a swaro up a hill you probably cant carry a leupold either.
I dont see how they are mutually exclusive?

If your saying that if you only hunt 5 days a year your wasting your money sitting behind a set of els or Hts or geovids.... i get that. If thats what your saying then i am onboard with you.

I think he believes because people buy and sell or upgrade gear often then they don’t hunt.

Kind of presumptuous.

 

[3forks]

If you cant carry a swaro up a hill you probably cant carry a leupold either.
I dont see how they are mutually exclusive?

If your saying that if you only hunt 5 days a year your wasting your money sitting behind a set of els or Hts or geovids.... i get that. If thats what your saying then i am onboard with you.

No, quite the opposite. If you only have 5 days to hunt all year, but bust your ass to make the most of every minute of your time hunting and have put a ton of effort into planning your hunt and your preparation - you should absolutely buy premium glass if you can afford it.

On the other hand, if you spent more time thinking about what glass to buy rather than getting fit for your hunt - it probably doesn’t matter too much what use if you can’t even get to where the animals are.