So what do we all think of this?

[DWarcher]

Do you seriously think that after spear hunting and baiting is made illegal they will stop and give up?

Do you seriously think that video helped our cause?

 

[elkbowkevin]

Here's my take on this and flat out!
First off I have not seen the vid and probably wont.
That said,
You are what you portray, PERIOD END OF STORY!

IF you portray yourself as an ethical hunter, law abiding, humble, not over the top celebratory when killing an animal, then you portray yourself as a positive figure in the hunting world and in the eyes of the majority of hunters. And more importantly the PUBLIC.
Examples: western hunter crew, Born and Raised Crew, Randy Newberg, Cameron Hanes, the list goes on.

If you portray yourself as a: bad-ass, non-respecting the animal, I just gotta kill it, then do the end zone dance, bubba hunting, cave man type, braggard, loud mouthed, cussin' fool with a bow, gun or spear. Well you portray yourself as a jack ass tool in a negative light , and you deserve every thing that comes at you. Peer wise, and from the public.

Gone are the days of us hunting and no one knows about it. The Anti's clearly have an agenda, they have publicized it and are taking their mini steps one day at a time while we are all mostly out there doing our thing. I would probably expect this video to now be used in future anti hunting ads, and other campaigns for their cause. Just like the outfitter (in canada) that was duped into allowing an anti to come along on a cougar hunt with hounds and video it. That video was the crux to getting hound hunting and baiting BANNED here in Oregon back in 1996.

Social media has been the sore spot for alot of people, and many a person has suffered the consequences of what they pout out there for the world to see. You put something out there, and you better take the flack that may come off from it.

I am a business owner, and I would never in the world think of putting ANY of my hunting or other things I may do in my private life, out there in the public to be scrutinized, or come back to bite me in the ass business wise. In fact probably less than 20% of my clients even know I am a hunter.

UA made a business decision, plain and simple. Im thinking that they got so many emails and flack about this from people saying that they were gunna throw out all their UA stuff, never buy it again, and spread the word out that UA supports this kind of activity! Well the choice is pretty simple there, and UA did what was best for their business model.
It will be interesting if anyone who is supported by them will now not sign back on over this,,,, but I doubt that will happen.

We can stand united, or we can get picked off one at a time. The choice is ours.

While I dont care what they did, because they did it legalls, putting it out there on you-boob, makes no sense and did WAY more harm to out cause than good. It was a selfish and foolish move on their part. But what do I know. Im just some nobody from po dunk oregon.
But I have an opinion just like all of you.

PLEASE PEOPLE, PLEASE!
STOP, THINK, AND ACT ACCORDINGLY!
BEFORE YOU POST VIDEOS OF YOUR SELVES OUT THERE FOR THE WORLD TO SEE.
ASK YOURSELF: IS THIS VIDEO SHOWING ME IN A POSITIVE LIGHT, OR DO i LOOK LIKE A BUBBA SLOB HUNTER.

If you cannot think of a way not to act that way, then maybe you should'nd post it.

 

[W.D. Crawford]

Gentlemen and Women, I think we need to VERY careful and not let something like this divide us, I am starting to see it with this thread. Maybe I'm reading into it too much, but ALL OF US need to stick together! We cannot afford to have divisions among us! We are our own worst enemy!! Long range hunters are not better than the average guy who likes to keep his shots under 300 yds. Traditional bow hunters aren't any better than compound guys etc,etc. I could go on, but I think you get the point.

 

[rodney482]

Ive seen 10,000 terrible bow shots.....

 

[W.D. Crawford]

Ive seen 10,000 terrible bow shots.....

Oh well, I tried. I hope you have an awesome hunt no matter what method you use.

 

[tipsntails7]

Gentlemen and Women, I think we need to VERY careful and not let something like this divide us, I am starting to see it with this thread. Maybe I'm reading into it too much, but ALL OF US need to stick together! We cannot afford to have divisions among us! We are our own worst enemy!! Long range hunters are not better than the average guy who likes to keep his shots under 300 yds. Traditional bow hunters aren't any better than compound guys etc,etc. I could go on, but I think you get the point.

Have you watched the video? I don't think a single person on this thread has condemned spear hunting. It's not a division based on disciplines. It's a guy represented himself and the hunting community poorly by acting like a fool on camera. I am a hunter, but I will not "Stand together" with a person like that. Sorry.


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[W.D. Crawford]

Have you watched the video? I don't think a single person on this thread has condemned spear hunting. It's not a division based on disciplines. It's a guy represented himself and the hunting community poorly by acting like a fool on camera. I am a hunter, but I will not "Stand together" with a person like that. Sorry.


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Yes! I watched the video! It made me sick!!!! I was referring to more than that, I was talking about an attitude that seems to have crept into hunting and fishing in general !! Have a nice day!

 

[tipsntails7]

I see this viewpoint talked about a lot on the internet and I find this position to be quite strange. Being that I'm here in the great state of CA, I have watched it all go down firsthand. The antis have been kicking our ass for decades by singling one group out while the rest stand by with their complacent hands in their pockets because it doesn't affect their type of hunting. Mountain lions on the protected species list, Hound hunting all but banned, no lead in historic Condor range(at first), trapping.....

Their mode of operation throughout has been to be in our faces, excessively militant, sue the shit out of everyone and everything, protesting, standing on obviously made up 'facts' and just generally acting like crazy people. They are well organized and well funded. With those tactics they have garnered great support from the neutral. So much so that we now get easily outvoted every time no matter how ridiculous the idea.

Our laws are already headed your way, and they will apply the same tactics upon you. React accordingly.

Your kind of proving my point. California residents voted on all those bans..

California licenses bought in 2015
830,000

Total California residents of voting age

24.4 million .

So 34% of the voting populous hunts. Let's say just for giggles 40% is anti(probably more).

So there is 26% undecided. Like it or not We NEED that 26% to at least be ok with hunting. Videos like this do nothing but push them away.

Put it this way, my girlfriend, who does taxidermy and has killed 2 bears herself, was appalled by the video and how the guy acted. She has no problem with hunting obviously. Her quote " why is that guy being such a dbag?"

You tell me.


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[tipsntails7]

Yes! I watched the video! It made me sick!!!! I was referring to more than that, I was talking about an attitude that seems to have crept into hunting and fishing in general !! Have a nice day!

I think you an I are on the same page on this. Have a great season.


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[realunlucky]

Ive seen 10,000 terrible bow shots.....

You need to surround yourself with better quality people. 1000 people making 10 bad shots each pretty incredible they all come to you

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[W.D. Crawford]

I think you an I are on the same page on this. Have a great season.


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You have a great season as well! I mean that.

 

[flyinsquirel]

Your kind of proving my point. California residents voted on all those bans..

Tips - I am most definitely not proving your point, but I seam to have not clearly communicated mine. I agree with you 100%, we need the neutral people on our side. We also need the fisherman, mountain-bikers, horse packers, bird watchers and anyone else we can get.

What I'm saying is the antis gained support from the neutral people here in CA by acting like lunatics, viciously and openly attacking anyone with a different viewpoint. They wend after us through the courts, local and state agencies, the school board, you name it. Yet many hunters think we can only gain support from the neutral people through catering to them. My post is in reference to the massive gap between what is and should be the reasonable, logical outcome and what actually happened here in CA. I don't condone their actions or their tactics, I'm simply pointing out that they were and are effective in gaining support from the 'neutrals'.

Edit: I didn't see the video so I refrained from commenting on it accordingly. If the guy acted like an asshat, I'll take your word for it. Though it has nothing to do with my post.

 

[jimd]

Just saw on the news that Under Armor has pulled his wife's sponsorship for their TV show-----I LOVE IT.

 

[kpk]

I'm really curious how many people have actually sat down and read the comments on the UA hunt page on Facebook or the comments on Sarah's Instagram???

Sarah was one of very few people actually bridging the gap between the hunting world and the fitness world on social media. Her hunting "fame" probably makes up 10% of her followers, the other 90% follow her for fitness and she has a huge reach.

When I was reading through the comments on IG, I was actually shocked at how many ladies were commenting flat out that they were vegetarians, didn't hunt, and used to be against hunting. They stated they started following her due to fitness but now understand what hunting is about and fully support her and Josh.

On the UA hunt Facebook page where the ANTI's are spewing their crap.....it has little to nothing to do with the fact that he speared it or how he acted. The vast majority are pissed off because they just realized that Under Armour actually makes hunting gear and supports hunting. The antis don't care about method, ethics, or how it's conducted - they only care an animal died. PERIOD. When the antis start filling social media with words like brutally, excruciating, suffering, left it for dead, trophy hunter - therein lies our problem with the middle 80%.

Yes, he may have acted like a clown but we as hunters should still set the record straight that it was a legal kill, they used the meat, etc. Instead we sit around holding our dicks and arguing amongst ourselves. Meanwhile, the anti hunting crowd has already moved on to the next issue.

 

[tipsntails7]

Tips - I am most definitely not proving your point, but I seam to have not clearly communicated mine. I agree with you 100%, we need the neutral people on our side. We also need the fisherman, mountain-bikers, horse packers, bird watchers and anyone else we can get.

What I'm saying is the antis gained support from the neutral people here in CA by acting like lunatics, viciously and openly attacking anyone with a different viewpoint. They wend after us through the courts, local and state agencies, the school board, you name it. Yet many hunters think we can only gain support from the neutral people through catering to them. My post is in reference to the massive gap between what is and should be the reasonable, logical outcome and what actually happened here in CA. I don't condone their actions or their tactics, I'm simply pointing out that they were and are effective in gaining support from the 'neutrals'.

Edit: I didn't see the video so I refrained from commenting on it accordingly. If the guy acted like an asshat, I'll take your word for it. Though it has nothing to do with my post.

Agreed.

The video was a perfect piece of propaganda for anti's as well. We have a hard enough time with anti hunters', it's a shame when we do half the leg work for them.


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[Kevin Dill]

Can't stop the antis from attacking. Can't stop them from working HARD to gain support through efforts aimed at non-hunters. We're not going to stop them from trying period. We're not generally against legal hunting forms either, even if they are not what we do.

What I'm against is hunters actually playing directly into the hands of the antis by giving them the incendiary material they so badly want and need in order to (re)display it and use it as propaganda against us. We can and should fight the antis tooth and nail...like the enemy in any war. But when you do really ugly stuff and the world sees it...your cause is questioned and often harmed. You can say it doesn't matter and we need to not back down...do what we do. I agree. What we do is hunt. Everything else is peripheral to that. Defend hunting. Defend videoing hunting. If your videos portray hunting in disgusting terms...you give our enemy the tools to win the war in time. It's really time to wake up and see what modern media is doing and not doing for hunting.

I get the arguments about screaming back and never backing down. March...lobby...sue...and don't give up. Some see it as the only thing that works. Maybe it depends on where you live. I agree with it to defend hunting. I wouldn't step off my porch to defend a video which really is basically a Christmas gift for anti-hunters. I'll still defend Bomar's hunt if it was legal....looks like it was. Hang the video.

 

[Darren Best]

EXCLUSIVE: Josh Bowmar Speaks Out on the Bear Hunting Incident - Wide Open Spaces

 

[rodney482]

Ive watched bowhunting back when it was only available on BETA tapes.

You need to surround yourself with better quality people. 1000 people making 10 bad shots each pretty incredible they all come to you

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[elkbowkevin]

EXCLUSIVE: Josh Bowmar Speaks Out on the Bear Hunting Incident - Wide Open Spaces

WOW, Bomar's got that shaft alright!

Sounds as if the ohhh sooooo typical so called Media writer said. "I gotta get this story out,, I dont have time to talk the person involved in the story, I gotta get it to print."
\accuracy be damned, this is a good story, here editor, print this! its SENSATIONAL JOURNALISM~

My a$$ it is, its a simple rush to judgement and execution. Maybe supporters of the Bowmars should light up that writers pages with some flames of their own. A little tit for tat.

The "stupid richard cranium" so called reporter, rushed the story and didnt get enough of the facts prior to getting it out there. Now Bomars's are in the dog house. So typical.

Yup, thats whats wrong with social media,,, too many opinions and not enough FACT!

 

[elkbowkevin]

Ive watched bowhunting back when it was only available on BETA tapes.

Ya me to, I remember renting the Larry Jones tape from the video store so many times, We about wore it out.