Small dirt bike 70- 80 cc or E-bike

[IdahoBeav]

She ain't quick, with the offroad gearing & ATV tire, but she'll pull a 2 story house UP a 3 story house!
Definitely more rock crawler than motocross bike, but she'll get you there.

On two wheels, that usually just means you're spinning your tire or flipping the bike over backward. On the mountain, there often isn't an option crawl up technical terrain. You have to get some momentum, stand up on the pegs, and give it throttle. If you slow down and try to crawl, you're in trouble.

 

[Steve300xcw]

On two wheels, that usually just means you're spinning your tire or flipping the bike over backward. On the mountain, there often isn't an option crawl up technical terrain. You have to get some momentum, stand up on the pegs, and give it throttle. If you slow down and try to crawl, you're in trouble.

There is a time to get on the pegs and let it eat. 99% of the guys in these threads have never been in that situation. They are hunting first and riding 2nd. Bike suggestions show this

Its hard for me to wrap my head around it. But a lot of guys are going to sit on the seat and put put their way in and it works for em. More power to em I guess.

Also if your bike is coming over on you, you might want to freshen up those clutch skills

 

[robtattoo]

Thankfully, I have the experience to be able to do both, and determine when each particular approach is needed.
The TeeDub is still capable of the 2nd-gear-balls-out-hillclimb. Maybe not as capable as a CR250 but these days, if that's what it takes to get there, I'm walking anyway!

 

[Steve300xcw]

I spoke up in your favor and you spout off about teedubya's and track bikes.

not helping


how fast is a Tdub in 2nd wicked?

 

[BLJ]

I spoke up in your favor and you spout off about teedubya's and track bikes.

not helping


how fast is a Tdub in 2nd wicked?

Probably as fast as a 4 banger taco with 35’s.

 

[Steve300xcw]

I doubt that

 

[Steve300xcw]

A proper front tire...

 

[Wrench]

I HATED my tw200. I kept my xt225 and tripped the tw. If you have ever been remotely fast on a dirt bike you will probably hate the tw. The seat is too low, the bars are too low the whole thing is wider than a polaris indy wedge. There's never been a bike that pushes a corner more and the brakes suck.....and if you ever hit a square edged anything you will send that front wheel to the handlebars almost instantly.

They are cool to look at but abysmal to ride.

 

[7mm-08]

A proper front tire...


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I'm that old, slow hunter that rides a KLX 140. Please don't be offended with the question, but what in the world is the application for that tire? Spring bear hunting in the Sawtooths above snowline? I've just never seen a motorcycle tire with studs.

 

[Steve300xcw]

I'm that old, slow hunter that rides a KLX 140. Please don't be offended with the question, but what in the world is the application for that tire? Spring bear hunting in the Sawtooths above snowline? I've just never seen a motorcycle tire with studs.

They just screw in

Theres a lot of red clay over here. Running studs will getcha a couple extra months of riding come the wet season. Clay, roots, trees, ice, etc...its goona hook.

Then we got lazy and left them in year round. Front tires last longer, and once you get some faith in them and trust the traction to be there. You can get a lot more aggressive with the front brake, and where you place that front tire. Theres no going back once you get used to it

The rears are a love/hate dealio. Studded full up..amazing traction, you can really do some stupid shit. But the bikes on rails and doesnt like to slide around. I'll run them if we do a snow/mud run. But get into a big loose rock hill climb and you'll start to roll them out. Pretty much just stick with studs in the front these days.

 

[robtattoo]

I spoke up in your favor and you spout off about teedubya's and track bikes.

not helping


how fast is a Tdub in 2nd wicked?

In the snot & rocks, 12 maybe 14mph. Enough to be interesting.

Before I lowered the gearing & fitted the trailer wheel I got myself in a bit of a pickle in Wyoming. I ended up climbing a trail (1st gear, throttle pegged) that I really had no business going up, but it was steep enough that stopping & turning round was impossible. You know the type.... getting down the same trail was guaranteed broken bones (I used to ride technical trials & I would've 3'd it on my Gas Gas!) so I ended up bushwhacking the bike 2 miles back to the road, over deadfall. That kinda put a full stop right after where my 'common sense' limit ends

 

[Steve300xcw]

I havent seen a hill a guy couldnt go down. Though some can be sketchy, and cookin your brakes on one gets sporty

I imagine things look a bit different on the tw though. I know I've dropped into things while on my 150 that werent nothin on a 250/300. But on that lil bike it turns into a situation.

 

[Wrench]

I havent seen a hill a guy couldnt go down. Though some can be sketchy, and cookin your brakes on one gets sporty

I imagine things look a bit different on the tw though. I know I've dropped into things while on my 150 that werent nothin on a 250/300. But on that lil bike it turns into a situation.

The rake angle sux on a tw. Add a touch to the front brake and it actually gets even worse.

 

[Steve300xcw]

I believe it.

 

[Jason277]

I think I’m going with a TW 200

 

[Steve300xcw]

Bummer

 

[robtattoo]

All you need is balls

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[Sunshine40]

250 4 stroke. Shave the seat and dump your sag down low if your worried about touching. My buddy has fat cats and I always wish I had the clearance of my full sized bike when im smashing my feet on rocks.

 

[HunterGatherer]

I think I’m going with a TW 200

I didn’t read all the other replies but here’s my advice: I’m about the same size as you 5’9” amd 165, and I own both small dirt bikes and a fat tire e-bike. I use both just about equally. It really comes down to what kind of trails/roads you’re going to be trying to access and the conditions (time of year). If you’re traveling motorized roads and just trying to save wear and tear on your truck the motorcycle is the way to go. If you want to go behind gates or on “non-motorized” trails, a class 1 e-bike is the move ( pedal assist, no push button throttle and assistance cuts out at 20mph). Legality of e-bikes is regulated by individual ranger districts so it varies from place to place. E-bike is also much better in snow or icy conditions. You can get studded tires too.

As far as which motorcycle, I have owned a bunch and I try to go as small as possible so if I have to throw it over big blowdown trees or obstacles I can muscle it over. So I run the little XR or CRF 100-125cc bikes with the “big wheel” option (16” rear wheel iirc. I prefer the older carbureted ones without a battery as they only weigh about 140# and you don’t have to worry about the battery dying. Yes, they are small and I look like a monkey jumping a football riding them but they get the job done and are geared low enough to climb all but the steepest trails even with an elk quarter on your back. I had a TW 200 for a minute but I actually hated the wide tires for single track and they’re too heavy to toss around so I sold it. Same with the midsize Hondas like the 230 - just too heavy. But if you’re only going to ride on logging roads the midsize bikes might be fine.
If you want more advice about specific e-bikes let me know as I have tried a bunch of those as well.