SilencerCo Scythe Ti failures

[HandgunHTR]

A while back someone did a slowmo video with see through cans made of plexiglass. Most failed within a few rounds, as expected for a can made of plexiglass.

There were no reports of extreme recoil like we see with some of the scythe failures.

I’ve also seen meltdown videos with silencers, obviously ending in can failure. I’ve never seen evidence of massive recoil when it happens.

From a conservation of energy standpoint, all that extra force has to be coming from somewhere other than the cartridge itself.

Meltdown video


See through silencer video

In the see through silencer video the tube launches off the end of the gun at 2:30… No reports of increased recoil. Certainly not bad enough to cause injury.

At the 13-15 second mark of the meltdown video, watch how much that gun starts jumping when the suppressor fails.

As for the see through silencer video, watch from 2:25 to 2:46. Even though it is in super slo-mo, you can see how much faster the rifle starts to travel rearward as that plastic sleeve gets launched. Plus, I would suspect that chuck of plastic probably weighs 2-3oz, vs the 5-6 oz that the chunks of metal being sent downrange from these failures produce.

As for your assertion that the extra force has to be coming from somewhere, it is. That force is normally just blown out in all directions once the bullet leaves the barrel (no brake or suppressor). When there is a brake or suppressor, that is the force that acts on the brake or suppressor to act against the recoil impulse. There is still a significant amount of force that just disperses however.

 

[TxLite]

My Buddy had one, shot sparks out of it like crazy, the quality seemed just okay, but with the known issues, it’s in the safe most of the time now. He has a SAW suppressor now that seems like a much better unit.

Sparks are a normal feature for a titanium can

 

[Idaho6.5]

Sparks are a normal feature for a titanium can

Ya, for sure, some much worse than others though

 

[AZ Gator]

My Buddy had one, shot sparks out of it like crazy, the quality seemed just okay, but with the known issues, it’s in the safe most of the time now. He has a SAW suppressor now that seems like a much better unit.

That doesn’t sound like a suppressor problem. Why the sparks?

 

[BBob]

That doesn’t sound like a suppressor problem. Why the sparks?

The blast erodes tiny bits of Ti and they ignite causing a spark to be seen. Machining Ti dry can cause chips to ignite. They burn almost white hot about like magnesium does.

 

[Idaho6.5]

That doesn’t sound like a suppressor problem. Why the sparks?

Many times the media from 3d printing can be rough and “loose” inside the can. The pressure dislodges tiny particles and ignites them. It can lesson over time, some are much worse than others

 

[AZ Gator]

The blast erodes tiny bits of Ti and they ignite causing a spark to be seen. Machining Ti dry can cause chips to ignite. They burn almost white hot about like magnesium does.

Makes some sense, other than poor quality control. I hadn’t heard that one on the Scythes.

Many times the media from 3d printing can be rough and “loose” inside the can. The pressure dislodges tiny particles and ignites them. It can lesson over time, some are much worse than others

The Scythes aren’t 3D printed. Maybe it’s what BBob mentioned above?

 

[cliffy109]

So I got my suppressor back from SiCo. It gained a little weight. Not much, but a little. The can, with the end cap but without the thread adapter now weighs 7.5 ounces. The can, with the end cap and thread adapter weighs 8.7 ounces. I went back through my camera and I didn't take a pic of the can when I got it without the thread adapter but I did get one with it. It weighed 8.2 ounces so it gained a half an ounce.

One thing to keep in mind is that they did not replace, nor clean my thread adapter. It is carbon coated pretty heavily so that likely has something to do with the weight gain. If memory serves me, the weight of the can without the adapter was 7.2 ounces but as I mentioned, I didn't get a pic of that but if that's true, it gained .3 ounces. If that is due to heavier welds or beefier baffles, I don't know but it is undeniably heavier.

The question I have posed to SiCo is whether this is just my suppressor that has gained weight from the repairs or if this is a change to the line itself. I asked that question and was told he would get back to me. Apparently, because this was my second time back, they regular warranty team didn't make the repairs but it was sent to the engineering guys who handled it personally. That leads me to think it might be a one-off solution.

Either way, I'm happy with it and will go shoot it on my regular firing schedule and enjoy the crap out of it.

Here are the pics with and without the thread adapter and the pic from Feb of 2024 when it was new.

 

[HuntHarder]

Hopefully they have a permanent "fix." Great can if it doesn't explode.

 

[AZ Gator]

I never weighed mine when new or ever until I got it back after repair. On my kitchen scale, with thread adaptor and brake installed, it came in at 8.55 ounces.

 

[Rifleman86]

So I got my suppressor back from SiCo. It gained a little weight. Not much, but a little. The can, with the end cap but without the thread adapter now weighs 7.5 ounces. The can, with the end cap and thread adapter weighs 8.7 ounces. I went back through my camera and I didn't take a pic of the can when I got it without the thread adapter but I did get one with it. It weighed 8.2 ounces so it gained a half an ounce.

One thing to keep in mind is that they did not replace, nor clean my thread adapter. It is carbon coated pretty heavily so that likely has something to do with the weight gain. If memory serves me, the weight of the can without the adapter was 7.2 ounces but as I mentioned, I didn't get a pic of that but if that's true, it gained .3 ounces. If that is due to heavier welds or beefier baffles, I don't know but it is undeniably heavier.

The question I have posed to SiCo is whether this is just my suppressor that has gained weight from the repairs or if this is a change to the line itself. I asked that question and was told he would get back to me. Apparently, because this was my second time back, they regular warranty team didn't make the repairs but it was sent to the engineering guys who handled it personally. That leads me to think it might be a one-off solution.

Either way, I'm happy with it and will go shoot it on my regular firing schedule and enjoy the crap out of it.

Here are the pics with and without the thread adapter and the pic from Feb of 2024 when it was new.

Keep in mind silencers accumulate carbon over time, and that can increase weight. I’d be curious if you did a CLR soak/cleaning and dried it out really well what it would weigh.

 

[cliffy109]

Keep in mind silencers accumulate carbon over time, and that can increase weight. I’d be curious if you did a CLR soak/cleaning and dried it out really well what it would

Good question. I'll soak it tonight and scrub it out before I shoot it tomorrow. I'm pretty sure it gained .3 ounces but cleaning out the thread adapter will verify this.

 

[weaver]

2000+ rounds in mines still holding together including a 100+ from a 16” 6.5PRC.
I really like it but for the first time ever I’m buying a different item solely because I don’t trust it based on something I read on the interwebs. It’ll probably just live on a couple .223s moving forward.
Tempted to keep shooting it on my PRC to see if I can make it fail.

 

[The Harbor Master]

2000+ rounds in mines still holding together including a 100+ from a 16” 6.5PRC.
I really like it but for the first time ever I’m buying a different item solely because I don’t trust it based on something I read on the interwebs. It’ll probably just live on a couple .223s moving forward.
Tempted to keep shooting it on my PRC to see if I can make it fail.

You know what you must do.

For science.

 

[Bama67]

I bet shooting one of these, never knowing when it might explode is a little unnerving.
"is this going to be the one"?
BOOM!
"whew, not yet"
lol

 

[TxLite]

I bet shooting one of these, never knowing when it might explode is a little unnerving.
"is this going to be the one"?
BOOM!
"whew, not yet"
lol

Honestly I really don’t even think about it

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I bet shooting one of these, never knowing when it might explode is a little unnerving.
"is this going to be the one"?
BOOM!
"whew, not yet"
lol

I thought about it with every pull of the trigger until around 100 rounds. But then I just decided to only keep it on my 18” bolt action 6.5 Grendel and not worry about it.


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[cliffy109]

I did a full video on this with pics of both failures along with weights and explanations.

 

[Raghornklr]

I did a full video on this with pics of both failures along with weights and explanations.

Sir thank you for this and I find it odd that I had no change on POI when mine let go. I'm gonna hunt with it again this year slightly reassured by that video.

 

[North of 60]

First post of a long time lurker who has (and is) learning much from RS. Saw this thread and registered.

No failure yet on mine. Only about 200 rounds through a 16" SFAR. 4 boxes of Winchester factory ammo to break it in and about 120 handloads with moderate charges of Varget (41 - 42.6 grains). About 1 in 5 Winchester factory loads blew primers where my hand loads do not at all.

Was hoping to try this Scythe Ti on a .300 Win Mag that will need to be cut to 20" because of barrel diameter to thread it and now a bit hesitant.