SilencerCo Scythe Ti failures

[SloppyJ]

In my discussion with them on the phone asking about this issue while communicating the failure rate and types that have been collected here, the response I got felt canned and not transparent, almost as if they're completely unaware (or not acknowledging) there's failures happening when it's used within their mfr recommendations and they say it's due to people doing rapid fire on semi autos.

After that conversation, I do not particularly trust them without seeing a public statement on the issue.

I just typed my update below your post and this is the exact feeling I got too. The conversation I had with them really pissed me off. Blaming users for the can exploding and not taking any sort of responsibility is not the way to play this game. The guy basically was telling me how I blew the can up and it was "Rapid fire from a short SBR". I told him it's only ever been on a bolt gun. It was a very premeditated response.

 

[HuntHarder]

I'm not sure how anyone can honestly say this isn't or doesn't have the potential to be a very big deal. I own a Scythe and love the can. To say I'm not worried about it blowing up would be a lie. I actually decided not to use it with my 22" 300win out of caution and not really needing to. I have other cans that work on the .300, so this one will spend it's life on smaller cartridges.

I really wish Silencerco would acknowledge the problem. It's only a matter of time, before someone gets injured. I have heard of other cans breaking clavicles and causing serious injury when they come apart. It's really a shame because the Scythe checks a bunch of boxes.

 

[Marbles]

I spoke with customer service this afternoon to confirm the path i needed to take for warranty. The first question I asked them is if anything has been done to resolve these issues or if they had narrowed it down to a specific S/N range and a batch batch of metal.

My attitude changed when the rep told me that very few of the cans had actually been a manufacturing issue. He stated that most have been on the user. I asked how that could be when there were no barrel restrictions and I kindly told him that he's completely full of shit. There's quite a few examples floating around of failures with bolt rifles.

I changed the subject to see if they could help me out with my cover. He again brought up that most of these failures were on the user and that they would only do something if it were a SilencerCo issue. I audibly laughed.

I quickly realized that while I only have on SilencerCo can, that's one too many. I won't be buying any more of their shit.

Honestly considering putting it on consignment at my local shop when it comes back in and picking up something else.

Yeah, has me thinking about selling mine.

 

[SloppyJ]

I have heard of other cans breaking clavicles and causing serious injury when they come apart. It's really a shame because the Scythe checks a bunch of boxes.

Let's discuss this. I've heard of this too but I'm failing to see how the recoil could be worse than shooting a gun without any muzzle device. I understand that projectile weight is a function of recoil but I imagine the energy required to blow the can apart gets spent doing just that.

I was unable to perceive any sort of recoil increase when mine let go but it was such a shock im not sure I would. However if it's a big enough increase to break someone's collar bone I imagine I would remember.

Maybe it has to blow apart in a specific manner to increase the recoil? What am I missing?

 

[mtwarden]

Sooooo.... I've been following this thread and have almost crossed off the Scythe because of it ; with that said is there a can that is as light/compact with adequate noise reduction?

Would be going on a 6.5, nothing larger.

 

[peterk123]

Sooooo.... I've been following this thread and have almost crossed off the Scythe because of it ; with that said is there a can that is as light/compact with adequate noise reduction?

Would be going on a 6.5, nothing larger.

Nomad ti xc. My wife 6.5cm sounds like an air gun. People have come up to us at the range thinking we are shooting sub sonic ammo.

 

[9.3koolaid]

Sooooo.... I've been following this thread and have almost crossed off the Scythe because of it ; with that said is there a can that is as light/compact with adequate noise reduction?

Would be going on a 6.5, nothing larger.

Otter Creek Hydrogen K, can even get a 6.5 model

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Sooooo.... I've been following this thread and have almost crossed off the Scythe because of it ; with that said is there a can that is as light/compact with adequate noise reduction?

Would be going on a 6.5, nothing larger.

Otter Creek Hydrogen K, can even get a 6.5 model

^Think I'd do that. I have an XC already but haven't shot it yet, but for a dedicated 6.5 can I like the Hydrogen K 6.5

 

[mtwarden]

Thanks guys, I’ll check those two out

 

[wesfromky]

Sooooo.... I've been following this thread and have almost crossed off the Scythe because of it ; with that said is there a can that is as light/compact with adequate noise reduction?

Would be going on a 6.5, nothing larger.

OCL hydrogen 6.5 K or S. They are going to be hard to find though - they only do runs of 6.5 a couple times a year.

 

[Formidilosus]

Let's discuss this. I've heard of this too but I'm failing to see how the recoil could be worse than shooting a gun without any muzzle device. I understand that projectile weight is a function of recoil but I imagine the energy required to blow the can apart gets spent doing just that.

I was unable to perceive any sort of recoil increase when mine let go but it was such a shock im not sure I would. However if it's a big enough increase to break someone's collar bone I imagine I would remember.

Maybe it has to blow apart in a specific manner to increase the recoil? What am I missing?

If the can breaks a certain way and launches forward, the recoil can be ridiculously high- depends on the weight of what goes forward.
Almost anyone that has been around a bunch of Surefire suppressors has had to, or seen one have to be unlocked and shot off to get it released. It turns a 5.56mm AR into a 12ga slug gun. I’ve seen the same done on 308win gas gun- the pain and bruise was terrible. The guy was injured and sore for a couple of weeks.

Suppressors are apart of a lethal device, and like the rifle themselves- they have the potential to cause significant injury when they fail catastrophically.

 

[HuntHarder]

Let's discuss this. I've heard of this too but I'm failing to see how the recoil could be worse than shooting a gun without any muzzle device. I understand that projectile weight is a function of recoil but I imagine the energy required to blow the can apart gets spent doing just that.

I was unable to perceive any sort of recoil increase when mine let go but it was such a shock im not sure I would. However if it's a big enough increase to break someone's collar bone I imagine I would remember.

Maybe it has to blow apart in a specific manner to increase the recoil? What am I missing?

It's not my story to tell, but I know of a pretty serious injury because of it. I'd love to know the mechanics behind it as well.

 

[waspocrew]

I'm not sure how anyone can honestly say this isn't or doesn't have the potential to be a very big deal. I own a Scythe and love the can. To say I'm not worried about it blowing up would be a lie. I actually decided not to use it with my 22" 300win out of caution and not really needing to. I have other cans that work on the .300, so this one will spend it's life on smaller cartridges.

I really wish Silencerco would acknowledge the problem. It's only a matter of time, before someone gets injured. I have heard of other cans breaking clavicles and causing serious injury when they come apart. It's really a shame because the Scythe checks a bunch of boxes.

I bought mine for a very specific use case - I wanted a light Ti can for my 6 ARC Howa mini and 6.5 PRC Element. I'm on the fence about using it on the PRC as I don't really need to at the moment. That rifle is going sheep hunting with me in Canada next summer and wouldn't be wearing a can anyways, so I might as well practice with it how I'll be using it (braked).

It's disappointing to hear I most likely can't (shouldn't) use it on my 22" 300 PRC, but honestly I don't mind the extra weight of my steel Gunwerks 8ight on that rifle.

 

[Bluefish]

It's not my story to tell, but I know of a pretty serious injury because of it. I'd love to know the mechanics behind it as well.

I get it now. When the can comes apart it’s like launching a 5-6 oz slug, sort of like a grenade launcher. The gun is shooting the can down range, so it can add weight to the recoil equation depending on how it fails.

 

[Tahoe1305]

Sooooo.... I've been following this thread and have almost crossed off the Scythe because of it ; with that said is there a can that is as light/compact with adequate noise reduction?

Would be going on a 6.5, nothing larger.

No. It is the best IMO given what you asked.

For length/weight. It’s 7” can performance in a 6” package. I haven’t heard/researched/personally experienced a 6” can with equal performance.

Yes there are quieter 7” cans. But it’s close.

Edit. Only one I haven’t seen a comparison directly on is the Banish Backcountry. If that was close to Scythe it would be interesting…except you have to deal with SC.

 

[3 oh 8]

First day and first message and already kicked in the nuts, welcome to Rokslide

Haha! seriously!! been a lurker, figured I should finally join.

 

[jkoehle1]

Feel like the internet is flooded with these.

FFS wondering if my new suppressor is even safe on my 300 mag

 

[Dobermann]

That's fair, but seems like the market basically disappears if you don't buy anything that has failed in the past.

There's two main ways to parse what you wrote - and I'm not sure either of them are correct.

If you meant "The market basically disappears if people don't buy any of item category X if one of them failed in the past", then no, hopefully "the market" buys the ones that work.

If you meant "The market basically disappears for a specific company and/or product that has failed in the past", then while that would be the ideal, it's demonstrably not true - there are multiple examples of, for example, pistols and rifle scopes that have catastrophically failed in the past, yet people still buy them.

Hence two of the things that Rokslide is respected for - testing gear in real-world scenarios, or analogs for (dating back many years), or helping to produce gear that actually works.

 

[CCooper]

I’m referring to it as the “clavicle brake”.

 

[HighUintas]

That looks more suggestive than the AB cans, in my opinion