Sig Sauer P320 Issues

[Thegman]

The sig 320 firing without input has been demonstrated many, many times in the past few years. I’ve seen video of a police officer from my state searching a car and his holstered sig firing. What’s causing it, I don’t know, but you don’t see or hear of glocks doing it.

I've seen several of those as well. Like you, I don't know what's causing it either, and have no idea what's going on with the triggers when it does happen.

Maybe a better way to say it is that it's not being replicated and not being explained in these same pistols after the fact. A partially pulled trigger could explain it. I agree though, it certainly seems to be a 320 thing when it's happening.

 

[keystone112]

I believe the FCU in the xTen and the 9 are the same. I have both.

I’m going to move one of my P320s and keep the other hoping Sig offers something.

I’m mostly shooting Walther PDPs now because of the design flaws.

 

[JohnJohnson]

I’m mostly shooting Walther PDPs now because of the design flaws.

Man they certainly tempt me for a single action only pistol. That PDP Pro-X looks like a heck of a lot of fun.

 

[LFC911]

I went to Scheels in Overland Park, KS tonight and asked for a trade value for my P320 XTen. I was immediately told that it would be a low offer due to the "issues going on." While they were looking at my gun I looked in the new and used cases. There were new 9 and 10mm P320's for sale at full MSRP and there were a bunch (10-12) used P320 9mm's (for $399) but no 10's. They came back with an offer...$175 cash or $200 in trade. He also said that I could check back in 30 days and I could possibly get up to $500 in trade. He made it sound like Sig is working on a fix?!? This seemed counter to the media we've discussed/seen where they (Sig) are pretty much denying the issue, so who knows?

 

[Pilsner]

Some good info over in the 1911 thread on it.

I just put a Brower 1811 grip on my M18 and it shoots so well. I used to carry it in the woods but I switched to carrying the P365 when I caught wind of this issue about a year ago. Strictly a range and home defense gun now.

From what I've gathered, it's an issue that effects all models of the P320. Regardless of manual safety or not.

According to a YT video I watched today the FBI was unable to replicate the uncommanded discharge when the manual safety was engaged. Without it engaged it was the same as the models without that feature.

 

[Pilsner]

I can't find any law suits that Sig has lost. No one has definitively found the issue. I have not seen a creditable video of someone making a Sig fire out side of a holster, that the pistol hasn't been modified. This reminds me of the Remington trigger fiasco of yesteryear. I have 2, 320's and hope they get this crap figured out soon.

Here is one:

Gunmaker SIG Sauer Found Liable in Shooting Accident

A Georgia jury has found New Hampshire-based gunmaker SIG Sauer liable in the shooting of a man who claimed his P320 pistol fired when he did not pull the trigger. The jury also awarded him $2.35 million in damages. It’s the third of several dozen lawsuits involving the company’s flagship...

www.thetrace.org

Here is another:

SIG Sauer’s P320 Lawsuits: A Legal Firestorm Over Alleged Design Flaws - BoomStick Tactical

Explore SIG Sauer P320 lawsuits: 60% win rate, $13M in losses, and pending cases over design flaws. Are unintentional discharges a safety crisis?

boomsticktactical.com

These are not the only ones I found in a simple google search that took 0.00432 seconds.

The article says that Sig is 60/40 on winning the lawsuits. Which means that they are losing 40% of them.
One lawsuit cited above in Pennsylvania was $11 Million for one judgement.
The FBI very clearly stated in their letter what the problem was vis a vie the Washignton State LEO case where it went off in a holster with several witnesses present. It was an unmodified pistol. The 320 that killed the airman this year was also unmodified and sitting on a table in a holster.

 

[IdahoBeav]

Sig had issues before with discharging if dropped/falling obviously thats why there was the voluntary trigger replacement.

That was due to a light trigger pull and the trigger having too much mass, and the pistol had to hit the ground just right on the back of the slide, not a big deal in my opinion, but I don’t recall hearing of holster firing issues before the trigger recall/repair. I wonder if the fix for one issue caused the other.

 

[Dan Carey]

Well, I'll be.

 

[fwafwow]

Fwiw, I’ve decided to relegate my 320s to be positioned where having them available in condition 3 is sufficient, and maybe to shoot them at the range (assuming my range still permits them - a reminder that I need to check). Maybe things will change.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Fwiw, I’ve decided to relegate my 320s to be positioned where having them available in condition 3 is sufficient, and maybe to shoot them at the range (assuming my range still permits them - a reminder that I need to check). Maybe things will change.

Finally decided to google what condition 3 means haha. I've always known it as Israeli.

 

[fwafwow]

Finally decided to google what condition 3 means haha. I've always known it as Israeli.

Funny. I was going to post as Israeli, but also saw it as condition 3 and assumed that would be more universally known.

 

[Muddler]

Such a shame. I loved the 320 when it came out. For me, it felt really good in my hand and I shot it well. I invested in the platform and got several conversion kits for it. Never had an issue with it, but there's enough doubt that it stays locked up. Tried to sell the whole kit a year or so ago but no takers.

 

[Calcoyote]

I don't want to start another thread so I thought I would ask on this one:

Question: Do I need to be worried about this discharge issue with my P365? I had read that the striker safety design on the 365 is different than the 320 and there is NOT a un-commanded discharge issue, but I would like to hear some comments from you guys.

 

[Aaron-in-CO]

I don't want to start another thread so I thought I would ask on this one:

Question: Do I need to be worried about this discharge issue with my P365? I had read that the striker safety design on the 365 is different than the 320 and there is NOT a un-commanded discharge issue, but I would like to hear some comments from you guys.

I have the same question, but for the P322. All that I’ve found seems to indicate that this isn’t an issue for either model. But then again I haven’t found much (at least for the P322)…

 

[Thegman]

I don't want to start another thread so I thought I would ask on this one:

Question: Do I need to be worried about this discharge issue with my P365? I had read that the striker safety design on the 365 is different than the 320 and there is NOT a un-commanded discharge issue, but I would like to hear some comments from you guys.

That's my understanding. The trigger system and striker block safety on the 365 is different from the 320. I guess that assumes the 320 SBS is part of the issue rather than partially pulled triggers, which I suppose could happen with either. Regardless, I've never heard of an UD issue from a 365.

 

[Dan Carey]

Sig has several law suits going now. Its Sigs position they should put up proof or shut up. This may end either Sig or the people claiming the pistol shoots by its self. We'll see.

 

[robtattoo]

 

[Dan Carey]

Somebody call the police.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

 

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