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You are quickly becoming snake oil manufacturer’s worst nighmare.
Using stuff tends to do that.
You are quickly becoming snake oil manufacturer’s worst nighmare.
You should hear what he has to say about their optics ...You are quickly becoming snake oil manufacturer’s worst nighmare.
Wondering if we need to bring some nuance to this.You are quickly becoming snake oil manufacturer’s worst nighmare.
I just think there's a long continuum between competent optics and ethical companies selling them, and snake oil merchants - and it can get pretty fuzzy in the middle.
Another aspect of this is who does the testing… I could compare the 2 and use them a whole year, and here in the PNW, that issue would never come up… others may (depending on how they compare in fog/rain) but even a good test effort may not expose all of the pros/consI would agree, and to be clear- I do not believe that I have said that about any of these companies- some of them are for sure, but the snake oils salesman to me are the “reviewers” that are given an items or items (or buy them) and they write a “review” that has no substance. I written before on the issues I’ve seen with Sig RF’s (and others), how was it magically me that found it with this one too?
Depends on where your at in the PNW. I live I Oregon and hunt all over in our state. Shoot, it’s been single digits at the house all last week.Another aspect of this is who does the testing… I could compare the 2 and use them a whole year, and here in the PNW, that issue would never come up… others may (depending on how they compare in fog/rain) but even a good test effort may not expose all of the pros/cons
I could favor the sig depending on other strengths and weaknesses, being as objective as I can, in theory… my current RF is a sig, I haven’t had much trouble with it but plenty of random and short lived weirdness… I have thought it was dying a few times then comes back to life. It’s the most glitchy one I have used, and will go a different direction when it’s time
True, coldest I have seen was low 20’s and I would need to be pretty deliberate to seek out colder weather in my normal hunting program. When I am in the colder parts of the state it’s usually not during the cold season… it’s usually years between me being in single digit temps. I could have good intentions and still give a review that leaves important things out…Depends on where your at in the PNW. I live I Oregon and hunt all over in our state. Shoot, it’s been single digits at the house all last week.
Absolutely agree, born and raised in the Nw coast range. I know rain. Now live on the east side where sun, snow and cold are more of the norm.True, coldest I have seen was low 20’s and I would need to be pretty deliberate to seek out colder weather in my normal hunting program. When I am in the colder parts of the state it’s usually not during the cold season… it’s usually years between me being in single digit temps. I could have good intentions and still give a review that leaves important things out…
It’s like me reading a rain gear review, they pretty much all suck… they may be as objective and honest as possible, but it will still likely fail inside 2 weeks with me.
There are a lot of shills that will kiss ass for free stuff and recognition in any form, and there are also those who try to review things but don’t or can’t account for all key points
There aren’t many reviewers that are good at reviewing things in a useful way… it’s a pleasant surprise when someone does
Another aspect of this is who does the testing… I could compare the 2 and use them a whole year, and here in the PNW, that issue would never come up… others may (depending on how they compare in fog/rain) but even a good test effort may not expose all of the pros/cons
I could favor the sig depending on other strengths and weaknesses, being as objective as I can, in theory… my current RF is a sig, I haven’t had much trouble with it but plenty of random and short lived weirdness… I have thought it was dying a few times then comes back to life. It’s the most glitchy one I have used, and will go a different direction when it’s time
I believe I understand the cold testing but if someone is leaving it outside it’s case sitting all night long what exactly does that prove? I don’t know anyone who hunts this way. It’s normally in its case in my pack so it has some protection from the direct cold.
I recently tested my 8k on a BC goat hunt. In the am it was probably 3-4 degrees. It worked just fine out to about 2k yards. Then I was having problems with it ranging trees. I was surprised as I was expecting it to pick up trees well past 3k yards. So I’m still testing how well it will pick up targets at real long range but I haven’t seen any cold weather issues with my little experience with it in the cold.
This is such a Madonna/pretty boy feature. Sure I guess it’s nice but I have absolutely never needed this feature. I am a LR hunter I guess. Shot plenty of animals cross canyon, creeks etc. taken multiple hrs to get to them on and on. I’ve had no issues finding my spot without a range finder linking to BaseMap. Would I use it, maybe? But do I care more about a range finder that does it’s main job absolutely. And to clarify, I own 2 2400 abs’s that I use weekly. I’m not a gunwerks/revic fanboy. I just feel this feature is one that most don’t care about.Doesn’t seem like a very good comparison so far when you are leaving out one of the biggest features for the Sig and that is dropping a pin to basemap. That is a huge fail in my opinion for the Revic.
One could argue if it can’t range in cold temps it doesn’t matter. But leaving it out completely really isn’t a fair comparison. It also seems strange that until now nobody has noticed this with the sig. I’m not saying it’s not a real issue but I would have thought complaints would have popped up on forums by now.
Not to attack you personally, but do you ever hunt out of a backpack and a tent? The majority of Western hunters do. All of my annual elk trips are that way. No portable heaters or fireplaces inside the tent. Inside temps are close to outside ambient temps. This is completely relative for many western hunters. And wearing that rangefinder on your chest rig will be whatever the ambient temp is.Doesn’t seem like a very good comparison so far when you are leaving out one of the biggest features for the Sig and that is dropping a pin to basemap. That is a huge fail in my opinion for the Revic.
One could argue if it can’t range in cold temps it doesn’t matter. But leaving it out completely really isn’t a fair comparison. It also seems strange that until now nobody has noticed this with the sig. I’m not saying it’s not a real issue but I would have thought complaints would have popped up on forums by now.
Pretty petty way to start off your response but yea I do a fair amount of back country hunting. And I don’t know about you but I don’t leave my electronic gear sitting outside all night long out in the elements but to each his own. That’s my only point and maybe it makes no difference at all. I just don’t understand why test under those conditions but so be it.Not to attack you personally, but do you ever hunt out of a backpack and a tent? The majority of Western hunters do. All of my annual elk trips are that way. No portable heaters or fireplaces inside the tent. Inside temps are close to outside ambient temps. This is completely relative for many western hunters. And wearing that rangefinder on your chest rig will be whatever the ambient temp is.
The OnX pin drop feature is of little to no value. Anyone that carries a gps w/ satellite imagery or a smart phone and Gaia maps etc, can easily drop a pin. No difference whether you point the rangefinder to select the pin drop spot or pull up imagery on your gps or smart phone unit and select it visually. Having said that, I have never needed to do that. Not a feature I see a need for with my current setup. I would much rather it work in all temps as advertised than duplicate something I can already do on my gps or smartphone. That to me is irrelevant.
Doesn’t seem like a very good comparison so far when you are leaving out one of the biggest features for the Sig and that is dropping a pin to basemap. That is a huge fail in my opinion for the Revic.
One could argue if it can’t range in cold temps it doesn’t matter. But leaving it out completely really isn’t a fair comparison. It also seems strange that until now nobody has noticed this with the sig. I’m not saying it’s not a real issue but I would have thought complaints would have popped up on forums by now.
Pretty petty way to start off your response but yea I do a fair amount of back country hunting. And I don’t know about you but I don’t leave my electronic gear sitting outside all night long out in the elements but to each his own.
And one feature to you may not be important but to others it’s something that is valuable. So if you are going to compare 2 units compare all the features. Don’t pick and chose what features you think are important.
I have run both the G7 and sig 2400 units and have had issues with both. I have yet to try the Revic and see no need to at this point since the Sig has met all my needs. I agree that if it’s having that many issues ranging in the cold it will be a major problem. Hence why I said it’s strange that nobody else until now has pointed this out.