Should Western Hunting Expo take a stand for Public Lands?

[cuerro viejo]

Texan this is literally the 5th time I've seen you say this, feel free to point me in the direction of Patagonia bitching and saying they were to pull out solely because of dates.

If you don't have one you sound like a dude with an axe to grind.


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Second..and second time for you to come to their defense. When someone screams about OR dates because it's a non rev show then piggy backs on "conservation" it does grind an axe. As it should. Dates will move up and there will be your proof.

North face, REI, Columbia, Smith, adidas outdoor, Danner etc all companies that have already booked all fall orders Therefore a zero revenue show for them as well, will be there. With north face publicly asking all to attend.

Bear ears isn't going back to NF.

 

[tipsntails7]

Second..and second time for you to come to their defense. When someone screams about OR dates because it's a non rev show then piggy backs on "conservation" it does grind an axe. As it should. Dates will move up and there will be your proof.

North face, REI, Columbia, Smith, adidas outdoor, Danner etc all companies that have already booked all fall orders Therefore a zero revenue show for them as well, will be there. With north face publicly asking all to attend.

Bear ears isn't going back to NF.

Dude your blowing hot air, exactly as suspected you have NOTHING to site... move along, or bring it back to the OP.



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[tipsntails7]

Yeah I hear you. Good points, and I agree that there IS stupidity going on here, just as you described. Believe it or not though there are a lot of good people/hunters/outdoor enthusiasts here that are trying to keep things in check. That's what I mean when I talk about Utah, the citizens are what make Utah and we're trying.

I absolutely believe that. I've met quite a few people from Utah, all good people. It's just unfortunate that their representatives and elected officials choose this path, and unfortunately the citizens have to pay for that.


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[cuerro viejo]

Dude your blowing hot air, exactly as suspected you have NOTHING to site... move along


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Lol!!!! Publicity stunt.

"The grumbling about the timing of the trade show has been going on for a long time in the halls of Salt Lake City's Salt Palace Convention Center where the shows are held. That unrest only increased last winter when OR moved its dates from the end of January to just after the holidays in order to appease calls for the show to take place closer to when retailers write orders and be more relevant. As it stands now, many retailers have already ordered the next season's merchandise at regional rep shows or during private visits from manufacturers. But the new dates did not seem to please everyone and attendance dropped off."

""The ROI comes from the retailers attending the show. If they are not coming, the cumulative ROI goes down. For the last few shows, I've been asked by retailers about taking our show spend and redirecting that investment towards other projects that they feel would be more beneficial," said Bruce Old, Patagonia vice president of global wholesale. "Conversely, it is still a great opportunity to see multiple retailers and have productive meetings, all in one place. The conversations that take place at the shows between retailers and exhibitors have great value."

Outdoor Retailer show shifts dates dramatically. Bigger changes on the horizon? | Bicycle Retailer and Industry News

 

[tipsntails7]

Lol!!!! Publicity stunt.

"The grumbling about the timing of the trade show has been going on for a long time in the halls of Salt Lake City's Salt Palace Convention Center where the shows are held. That unrest only increased last winter when OR moved its dates from the end of January to just after the holidays in order to appease calls for the show to take place closer to when retailers write orders and be more relevant. As it stands now, many retailers have already ordered the next season's merchandise at regional rep shows or during private visits from manufacturers. But the new dates did not seem to please everyone and attendance dropped off."

""The ROI comes from the retailers attending the show. If they are not coming, the cumulative ROI goes down. For the last few shows, I've been asked by retailers about taking our show spend and redirecting that investment towards other projects that they feel would be more beneficial," said Bruce Old, Patagonia vice president of global wholesale. "Conversely, it is still a great opportunity to see multiple retailers and have productive meetings, all in one place. The conversations that take place at the shows between retailers and exhibitors have great value."

Outdoor Retailer show shifts dates dramatically. Bigger changes on the horizon? | Bicycle Retailer and Industry News

Never mind, your BS is exhausting, agree to disagree, back to the OP


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[cuerro viejo]

Lol. Agree to disagree then. Like I said they where already threatening last year. now they can officially redirect OR expenditures else where, and look good doing it...in the name of conservation of course.

 

[tipsntails7]

Lol. Agree to disagree then. Like I said they where already threatening last year. now they can officially redirect OR expenditures else where, and look good doing it...in the name of conservation of course.

Back to the OP......



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[Bughalli]

Please chill out guys....

I wasn't aware of the tag issues associated with the State and the show. Interesting input. I simply wanted to attend to compare gear, which is harder and harder to find in person.

Many good points raised, especially from the guys in Utah. Great perspective. You have the toughest challenge....feet on the ground. Whether the Expo would or wouldn't pull out is not really the point. It's more about using it as a podium for showing support for an issue that all of us believe in. Same can be said for the retailers who attend the show. They should have a stronger voice on the issue.

 

[wncbrewer]

Hell, I avoid going to Utah just because of the low gravity beer. Just sayin'

Proceed, just trying to lighten things up here.


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[tipsntails7]

Given what we know about SFW is it possible that the 70% of funds that they retain may actual be utilized to support land transfer and land privatization?

Chew on that one.


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[Jon Boy]

Hell, I avoid going to Utah just because of the low gravity beer. Just sayin'


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I went to an after party after the expo this this year that was non-alcoholic... Yah last time I do that. Having to spend a hundred to try and catch a buzz off of 2% beer was defeating too. Add that in to the publicbland issues and id be fine with the expo moving to Denver.


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[sneaky]

Given what we know about SFW is it possible that the 70% of funds that they retain may actual be utilized to support land transfer and land privatization?

Chew on that one.


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Their tax statements are available online for past years. Not sure if their 2016 one is up yet or not, haven't looked at them lately. The prior ones though had accountability for about 34-36% of funds raised, with over $500k a year spent on tag purchases. Doesn't say for who, but why would they spend thathe much money on buying hunts? It's in the public domain, look then up for yourself. I'm about to get on the road and drive or I would dig up the link. A good thread on this has been on hunttalk for over a year.

 

[sneaky]

Guess I'm saying that there are HUGE gaps in financial accountability, and the firm that does their taxes is one of theirs also. I've read elsewhere online that they own Arctic Red River Outfitters, but I don't know if that's true or not. Also heard that several of the wildlife board members have gone on sheep hunts up there. Like I say, what I've heard, not verified by me as of yet.

 

[Hunthigh1]

Absolutely! Sfw is corrupt as all hell! 30% to wildlife after selling off a publicly owned resource is unacceptable.


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[tipsntails7]

Their tax statements are available online for past years. Not sure if their 2016 one is up yet or not, haven't looked at them lately. The prior ones though had accountability for about 34-36% of funds raised, with over $500k a year spent on tag purchases. Doesn't say for who, but why would they spend thathe much money on buying hunts? It's in the public domain, look then up for yourself. I'm about to get on the road and drive or I would dig up the link. A good thread on this has been on hunttalk for over a year.

i have not looked lately, but last I checked they only had 2013 available. which states they own almost 5.5 millions dollars of land or buildings...

here is the link is anyone would like to look at it. http://www.sfw.net/data/SFW-990-2013.pdf

 

[tipsntails7]

Guess I'm saying that there are HUGE gaps in financial accountability, and the firm that does their taxes is one of theirs also. I've read elsewhere online that they own Arctic Red River Outfitters, but I don't know if that's true or not. Also heard that several of the wildlife board members have gone on sheep hunts up there. Like I say, what I've heard, not verified by me as of yet.

according to their 990 they own 100% of Arctic Red River, at least in 2013

 

[Flashmo]

Second..and second time for you to come to their defense. When someone screams about OR dates because it's a non rev show then piggy backs on "conservation" it does grind an axe. As it should. Dates will move up and there will be your proof.

North face, REI, Columbia, Smith, adidas outdoor, Danner etc all companies that have already booked all fall orders Therefore a zero revenue show for them as well, will be there. With north face publicly asking all to attend.

Bear ears isn't going back to NF.

You don't (as well as most others) understand how the industry works. It is not a non-revenue show. It is a show and tell.

If you are a retailer, and want to carry products for the 2018 summer season, your preseason contracted minimum order is DUE anywhere between August 1 and October 30 of 2017. Contracts are signed, payment schedules arranged, and ship dates agreed to at that time. EARLY ship dates are considered to be in March. Outdoor Retailer is scheduled when it is for a very specific purpose. Outdoor Retailer and preseason ordering are how US outdoor companies guage how large of orders to place with their offshore manufacturing contractors.

Outdoor Retailer is scheduled as a hands on event to showcase the products for the following year. It is not a show for the general public, otherwise you would know this already and not spout mis information.

Every booth I have ever walked past, including Patagonia, is writing contracts during the show. Most have an entire weeks worth of scheduled sales meeting for dedicated one on one transactions between salespersons and buyers. You should see the area set up for talking with the Chinese product manufacturers...booked non stop for the US companies to arrange the actual manufacture of the products and prototypes you are seeing there.

Summer Outdoor Retailer 2017 will basically be for orders shipping March 2018 thru October 2018. Winter Outdoor Retailer is for primarily winter sports shipping August until March.

If you have the right connections, you should go at least once. It is free to anyone with legitimate credentials...if you register early enough.

 

[MattB]

Utah chose an entity that will give back 30% of monies collected against RMEF that would have given 100%, PLEASE explain how that benefits conservation or animal habitat?

I had a conversation with someone from the state who was involved with bid award and he indicated that RMEF did not demonstrate the ability to adequately protect consumer information and hence SFW won the bid. It sounded to me like more of the typical cronyism that is so rampant in Utah politics. As the next bid comes up, we need to remind those who award the bid that 100% is better than 30%.

 

[sneaky]

I had a conversation with someone from the state who was involved with bid award and he indicated that RMEF did not demonstrate the ability to adequately protect consumer information and hence SFW won the bid. It sounded to me like more of the typical cronyism that is so rampant in Utah politics. As the next bid comes up, we need to remind those who award the bid that 100% is better than 30%.

Exactly the same talking point that some MDF execs told me. I stopped them dead on that point when I asked how many members RMEF had compared to SFW and how many data breaches they've EVER had. End of conversation.

 

[sneaky]

At the end of 2015, RMEF had over 219k members. MDF had a little over 41k members at the end of 2014, and SFW has 7k members. At least they are consistent in their talking points