Shoot2Hunt University

[TimberHunter]

Hey so maybe a stupid question here. I have always shot with the thumb on my trigger hand gripped around the stock. Looking through photos it seems most keep that thump anywhere from on the tang pointing down the barrel, to right by the safety, to right of the safety on the hand side of the stock.

Is there a right place to keep it?

I struggled with this at class and they had to beat it into my brain lol. [mention]longrangelead [/mention] would be happy to know, keeping my thumb on top of the grip, directly behind the red firing indicator on the bolt, is now a habit


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[Speaks]

I struggled with this at class and they had to beat it into my brain lol. [mention]longrangelead [/mention] would be happy to know, keeping my thumb on top of the grip, directly behind the red firing indicator on the bolt, is now a habit


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Any chance you have a picture of the thumb position?

 

[TimberHunter]

Any chance you have a picture of the thumb position?

Not claiming this is 100% right, just where I ended up.

Side note, expect a PM with a cost break down for that picture. Should come from Only Thumbs


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[Speaks]

Not claiming this is 100% right, just where I ended up.

Side note, expect a PM with a cost break down for that picture. Should come from Only Thumbs


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Lol, thank you, appreciate it.

 

[Nine Banger]

Practice on your heaviest recoiling rifle too.

Make sure the bolt isn't hitting your hand before you do it 1000 times.

I had to train in a 2.0 neutral thumb when I went back to 6.5 PRC.

 

[Dobermann]

Side note, expect a PM with a cost break down for that picture. Should come from Only Thumbs

Yeah, but @Speaks should get a discounted rate - no crotch included in that crotch display ...

 

[TimberHunter]

Yeah, but @Speaks should get a discounted rate - no crotch included in that crotch display ...

I left it for the imagination, skilled photography costs money


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[Wprinkle]

Well I decided to change up training.. I added a work out to simulate busting up a ridge and jumping animals (cuz im an idiot). With a 30 lb pack, ranger panties and shoes, its 4/10's of a mile with 320 feet elevation gain at a pace that insured I was in zone 3-4. Once at the top I gave my self 30 seconds to get 10 shots off. First from Prone, Second from sitting un supported, third off hand. I shot sitting un supported twice because I didn't believe I could suck that bad but I still suck.. We wont talk about offhand

Prone

Sitting unsupported.

Offhand..... ya I fired ten shots..

 

[longrangelead]

Well I decided to change up training.. I added a work out to simulate busting up a ridge and jumping animals (cuz im an idiot). With a 30 lb pack, ranger panties and shoes, its 4/10's of a mile with 320 feet elevation gain at a pace that insured I was in zone 3-4. Once at the top I gave my self 30 seconds to get 10 shots off. First from Prone, Second from sitting un supported, third off hand. I shot sitting un supported twice because I didn't believe I could suck that bad but I still suck.. We wont talk about offhand

Prone
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Sitting unsupported.
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Offhand..... ya I fired ten shots..
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no Backpack Burpees or Rifle Push-ups? looks like you need to work on upper body strength.

 

[HuntHarder]

Offhand and breathing hard is so tough. I constantly tell myself when I'm stalking in to close range, to go slow enough, just in case a quick shot opportunity presents itself. I will stop multiple times to ensure my breathing is somewhat controlled. I know how bad I am at offhand and breathing hard. Same with Archery.

 

[TimberHunter]

[mention]Wprinkle [/mention] I see you are a man of cardio now

Solid shooting!


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[Wprinkle]

no Backpack Burpees or Rifle Push-ups? looks like you need to work on upper body strength.

I was wheezing hard enough without em....

 

[Wprinkle]

[mention]Wprinkle [/mention] I see you are a man of cardio now

Solid shooting!


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Isolated incident lol

 

[LBWV]

Has there ever been any consideration given to a 0-300 Shoot2Hunt course using rimfire?

I've been teaching another friend how to shoot and that got me thinking about this. Out of all the shooters I know very few have taken any formal training ...unfortunately that's the standard.
Good classes are often priced like they are because they're absolutely worth it, but the prices and time commitment are big jumps for many people especially when they don't know how valuable a class like that can be in terms of skills improvement.
Those classes are obviously different from an Appleseed course, but I've always loved how Appleseed makes their training so scalable, affordable and accessible that there really isn't an excuse for not taking their course.

For teaching this friend I was thinking about what a 0-300 class would entail:

• Rifle Setup
• Zero
• Fundamentals
• Positional shooting & NPOA

Outside of cursory explanations it would not entail wind or bullet drop. This is teaching hunters proper fundamentals so they can be more effective at their point blank ranges and giving them a roadmap on how to advance (100% taken from Form's Equipment vs Practice post where he advises practicing from prone until you can shoot 2 moa on demand before moving to other positions). In that light, it would be a feeder course for the 0-600 class.

Just food for thought.
I'm fully aware that ideas are cheap and the real magic happens in people doing the work to make an idea happen.
I'm also fully aware of the giant gap between a scaled Appleseed type course and a class like Shoot2Hunt (I haven't attended any of the Shoot2Hunt classes, but I've taken enough training courses to understand the difference in quality coaching between the two).

I have really appreciated all of the information the Shoot2Hunt podcast and @Formidilosus has put out.

 

[Formidilosus]

Has there ever been any consideration given to a 0-300 Shoot2Hunt course using rimfire?

I've been teaching another friend how to shoot and that got me thinking about this. Out of all the shooters I know very few have taken any formal training ...unfortunately that's the standard.
Good classes are often priced like they are because they're absolutely worth it, but the prices and time commitment are big jumps for many people especially when they don't know how valuable a class like that can be in terms of skills improvement.
Those classes are obviously different from an Appleseed course, but I've always loved how Appleseed makes their training so scalable, affordable and accessible that there really isn't an excuse for not taking their course.

For teaching this friend I was thinking about what a 0-300 class would entail:

• Rifle Setup
• Zero
• Fundamentals
• Positional shooting & NPOA

Outside of cursory explanations it would not entail wind or bullet drop. This is teaching hunters proper fundamentals so they can be more effective at their point blank ranges and giving them a roadmap on how to advance (100% taken from Form's Equipment vs Practice post where he advises practicing from prone until you can shoot 2 moa on demand before moving to other positions). In that light, it would be a feeder course for the 0-600 class.

Just food for thought.
I'm fully aware that ideas are cheap and the real magic happens in people doing the work to make an idea happen.
I'm also fully aware of the giant gap between a scaled Appleseed type course and a class like Shoot2Hunt (I haven't attended any of the Shoot2Hunt classes, but I've taken enough training courses to understand the difference in quality coaching between the two).

I have really appreciated all of the information the Shoot2Hunt podcast and @Formidilosus has put out.

0-300 yards is the first 3.5 days of the course. Actually 100 yards is 95+ % of the first 3 days. That’s all it is for the first 3 days- how to be a rifleman.
You could certainly do it with a 22LR’s, but wind would cause issues at 100 yards, and it would not be any cheaper- the time it takes to condition habits is the time it takes.

 

[RockAndSage]

0-300 yards is the first 3.5 days of the course. Actually 100 yards is 95+ % of the first 3 days. That’s all it is for the first 3 days- how to be a rifleman.
You could certainly do it with a 22LR’s, but wind would cause issues at 100 yards, and it would be any cheaper. The time it takes to condition habits is the time it takes.

If someone wanted to get a head start on this, what would you want them doing at 100yds on their own?

 

[Formidilosus]

If someone wanted to get a head start on this, what would you want them doing at 100yds on their own?

Haha. Nothing.

For the most part it would just make it harder to unlearn when they show up. If I had my way, people would go shoot some USPSA matches to learn decent gun handling, cause hunters by and large are awful at it.

 

[LBWV]

You could certainly do it with a 22LR’s, but wind would cause issues at 100 yards,

I was thinking (but didn't state) that it would be fixed at 50yds on scaled down targets in a similar fashion as Appleseed is at 25yds. The "0-300" is hypothetical title to indicate this isn't a whiz-bang long range class and just focuses on fundamentals and common positions used while hunting ...it could be "0-200" or whatever.

the time it takes to condition habits is the time it takes.

That's fair.


Just food for thought. Thanks for responding. Have a great day.

 

[Formidilosus]

I was thinking (but didn't state) that it would be fixed at 50yds on scaled down targets in a similar fashion as Appleseed is at 25yds. The "0-300" is hypothetical title to indicate this isn't a whiz-bang long range class and just focuses on fundamentals and common positions used while hunting ...it could be "0-200" or whatever.

You could certainly do that. I was mostly saying however, that the 0-600y class isn’t a “long range” class in reality. Someone doesn’t ever have had to fire a rifle to take it. It is 100% a “these are optimum fundamentals, now you will be conditioned to do them all the time” class. At least for the first 3.5 days or so. The last day and half is where the beyond 100 yard distance shooting begins.

That's fair.


Just food for thought. Thanks for responding. Have a great day.

Appreciate the discussion.