Follow up, yes the Kestrels leaked , Bad. Schnees was beyond amazing, apologized, explained where they leak and why, and basically let me swap to whatever boot I wanted. On the recommendation of a few hunters in the store, all say the Timberline is the boot I want based on my described needs. So I have a new pair and hope they are trouble free and as comfortable as the Kestrels were. Schnees is a good, old fashioned business. They will get my money again.