S&B 3-12x42 Klassik for hunting

[cdnhunter117]

Hey guys, first post here. I have read a ton lately, and in short I see Leupold's can lose zero, Vortex's depend on model a lot, and anything below 1000$ seems to not be what I am looking for.
I have a remington 700 pcr in 12.5" barrel which is this:

Arsenal Force. REMINGTON 700 PCR SBR, 12.50” THREADED BARREL, 308 WIN

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I am looking at a using this for deer where shots will be up to 200 yards, more likely 100 yards. I want to be able to target shoot with it for fun up to a few hundred yards too. Weight isn't a huge factor, low light matters, I want it to be able to track properly and I am a total noob when it comes to turrets and zero reset and whatnot. I never used it but I like the idea of turrets that can be locked and moved and would spend the money to have finally one nice scope that can do that for fun target shooting.
The P3L reticle has holdovers which I want. Is there a better scope for the money that will track if I need it to, ect? I've only ever used bushnells and a vortex diamondback and have no experience.
Just wondering what rings you guys would go with for that rifle too.
The trijicon credo 1-6x24 ffp seems nice too but for example it is x24 which I suppose won't gather as much light for hunting, otherwise I really think I am okay with that, I am open to a fixed 6 scope too and definitely anything under x12 too, I like the mildot type reticles that are not caliber specific so I can just use my own holds and eventually change guns. Especially because 12.5 barrel might not match a regular 308 drop anyways and I could use heavy bullets ect.
School me please lol, I am open to any suggestions. Thanks in advance!

 

[cdnhunter117]

I only put it in the title but the S&B 3-12x42 klassic I really like the reticle on it and the feedback from this forum on that scope so far but yes it is a little more scope than I need, I deer hunt usually in the bush where in November I can see maybe 150 yards, possibly can hunt a field too eventually and take further shots.

 

[sdupontjr]

Yes. Great optic. I had a 2.5-10x56 klassik on my 308 for my hunting situation like yours. Sold it only to upgrade to the 4-16x56 Polar T96 for low light hunting. I would have no problem getting another Klassik.

 

[Macintosh]

Klasik is a good scope and will do what you want, but seems a little overkill for what you are talking about (ie 200 and in is all point blank range). P3 is just a mildot reticle. Why not go with a 3-9 with a mildot reticle, or a shv 3-10? Lighter, simpler, less $ so you can buy ammo with the difference and practice, etc. 3-9 credo is available in a mil dot reticle if thats helpful for practice—its definitely not needed at 200 and in.

 

[Johnwell]

You mention both dialing and holding over; which are you more interested in doing? For a few hundred yards on targets and <200 yards for hunting (which I think is a realistic number for most hunting applications) I agree that the 3-12 klassik may be overkill. You could probably do all of what you’re talking about with a red dot; so any magnified optic would work for your application.

From my experience, a 3-9 with good turrets will easily make it to 1000 yard targets on a 308 class rifle. Also, I never use the vertical portion of mil dots for holdovers, personally; I only use the left and right portion for wind holds.

Do you want ffp? Are you ever planning on shooting past 300-400 yards? Or could you live with sfp and a plain duplex if you could dial?

As for light gathering; it depends on both the objective size and the magnification of a scope. I have never looked through the trijicon you’re talking about, but it might do better than you’d expect due to the massive exit pupil at 1x. I doubt it’d be as good as a s&b though.

You could also look at the 2.5-10 credo if you want ffp. I don’t have any hands-on experience with that one either though.

If you could find a SWFA 3-9 they’re pretty solid, but again, maybe overkill for 300 yards.

 

[_S_R_]

GPO 1.5-9x44 as option

 

[StupidLightweight]

OP, if you can afford an S&B scope, buy it. They're fantastic. I suggest calling S&B's custom service and talk them through what you're after. They will steer you to the best option for your shorty Rem. 700.

Speaking of your shorty, any info on the velocity you're getting from the 12.5-inch barrel? I have a Remington 600 in .308 I'd like to chop at that length and pin-and-weld a suppressor to bring it past 16 inches.

 

[Johnwell]

GPO 1.5-9x44 as option

What’s the country of origin on GPO? I thought I remembered reading it was primarily rebranded Chinese scopes; but I could be wrong.

 

[_S_R_]

What’s the country of origin on GPO? I thought I remembered reading it was primarily rebranded Chinese scopes; but I could be wrong.

This model German components, Japan glass assembly in China.

 

[_S_R_]

If you looking Japanese made optic then
Delta Optical Titanium HD 1.5-9x45

 

[cdnhunter117]

Thanks guys I will consider all of your input. Money isn't a huge deal, I liked the idea of trying a higher end scope for once. Dialing vs just holding over, I just have no experience doing.. just like the idea of trying out shooting some gongs at long range and being able to target shoot too.
Not sure on the velocity, I've not even mounted a scope yet on the gun. Just took a few shots to try it out, and I thought it would be neat as a deer gun. I will use hearing protection.
I have little experience with trying ffp and comparing to sfp. I just hunted here and there and have shot mainly 22 and my Ruger pcc.
I do have a eotech I just bought and an older vortex 3x magnifier, and also a vortex red dot... Forget the name but it's the common one used with the magnifier. Has sat on my AR that's been banned since 2020 by the Turd. I'm in Canada.

 

[arrow179]

I bought this exact model of S&B recently with exposed turret with the P3L reticle and I’m not sure you can find a better deal for what it is. Brand new for under $1k

 

[cdnhunter117]

I bought this exact model of S&B recently with exposed turret with the P3L reticle and I’m not sure you can find a better deal for what it is. Brand new for under $1k

Wow, here in Canada it is 1700.

 

[TxLite]

The Klassik with p3L reticle is currently under $1000 at Eurooptic.

 

[z987k]

Trijicon credo hx or accupoint in 2.5-10x56

Or in S&B for your uses, the Polar T96 2.5-10x50 would probably be better than the klassic.

 

[left hunter]

Wow! Thanks for the heads up on price, ordered one for my Blaser K-95

 

[arrow179]

Trijicon credo hx or accupoint in 2.5-10x56

Or in S&B for your uses, the Polar T96 2.5-10x50 would probably be better than the klassic.

The Polar T96 is 2nd focal and only a lighted reticle (no windage marks) also NO exposed turret. It’s also almost 2x the price. Not sure why it would be better? Maybe you can explain your thoughts? No arguments here just wanted to see why you think it’s better than the Klassik?

 

[z987k]

The Polar T96 is 2nd focal and only a lighted reticle (no windage marks) also NO exposed turret. It’s also almost 2x the price. Not sure why it would be better? Maybe you can explain your thoughts? No arguments here just wanted to see why you think it’s better than the Klassik?

He's hunting at 200 yards tops("most likely 100") and seems to place and emphasis on low light use. He doesn't need more than a duplex reticle, let alone FFP. Although the 3-12 Polar does have ffp and a mil reticle available.
He should be sighting for mpbr or even just at 200y and if the wind is over 40mph where you actually need to hold for wind at that distance, maybe don't hunt that day, it's not going to be much fun anyways.

A fixed 4x or 6x with a duplex and a very large objective for light would be what I'd suggest if it still existed.
He could pick up one of those older steel tubed s&b 6x scopes on ebay for like $350 and it'd work great.

 

[cdnhunter117]

Yeah I hunt in the bush near North Bay, Ontario, it's all bush, 100 yards is about a normal shot. Only time it would be 200 plus would be if I use a farm field but even then I can make it work. You guys rock.

 

[cdnhunter117]

He's hunting at 200 yards tops("most likely 100") and seems to place and emphasis on low light use. He doesn't need more than a duplex reticle, let alone FFP. Although the 3-12 Polar does have ffp and a mil reticle available.
He should be sighting for mpbr or even just at 200y and if the wind is over 40mph where you actually need to hold for wind at that distance, maybe don't hunt that day, it's not going to be much fun anyways.

A fixed 4x or 6x with a duplex and a very large objective for light would be what I'd suggest if it still existed.
He could pick up one of those older steel tubed s&b 6x scopes on ebay for like $350 and it'd work great.

Thanks for your input, all of that's true I just figured it would be fun to shoot some steel and be able to use mildots ect for fun at longer ranges. Realistically any scope is fine for the hunting anyways, I shot a bear a couple weeks back just using iron sights with my r92 .357 Rossi at 25 yards, the furthest I see deer on my hunts is 100 yards like I said, a 4x is plenty. Just figured I'd try out a high end scope. There's probably no real right or wrong answer and I will take a look at the options when I am off midnights.