Rugged Alaskan360 vs Alaskan360 ti vs other

[AlaskaRed]

Looking for some experience on the topic of suppressors. Not the most well read on this conversations as they have always been a non starter for me. I am building a 7mm backcountry with around a 16.5" barrel. I wanted a suppressor that will work well in that case. I also have a 338 norma that makes the alaska 360 enticing for practice. So, now who has experience with either version of the alaska 360? I would probably use either with the direct thread mount. Open to opinions and experience with other suppressors as well for my use case. Also, please if you give opinions please let my know why you have concluded your opinions as that is helpful to me.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

A lot of people around here hate that suppressor. I haven’t used the Alaskan, but apparently it is not good.

I recommend getting an Airlock ZG 7, Ultra 7, Nomad Ti XC, Reaper, or Raptor 8 for the 7 PRC.

Edit - but I would check barrel length restrictions on some of these.

And a Raptor 8 or 10 or TBAC Magnus (or similar) for the .338.

 

[AlaskaRed]

A lot of people around here hate that suppressor. I haven’t used the Alaskan, but apparently it is not good.

I recommend getting an Airlock ZG 7, Ultra 7, Nomad Ti XC, Reaper, or Raptor 8 for the 7 PRC.

Edit - but I would check barrel length restrictions on some of these.

And a Raptor 8 or 10 or TBAC Magnus (or similar) for the .338.

Interesting. What are the said reasons for the hate?

I will look into those a few were already on my short list like the Raptor, Reaper, and Ultra 7. Why do you recommend those?

Honestly using it on the 338 is a secondary objective. I need it to work well on the 7BC first.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Interesting. What are the said reasons for the hate?

I will look into those a few were already on my short list like the Raptor, Reaper, and Ultra 7. Why do you recommend those?

Honestly using it on the 338 is a secondary objective. I need it to work well on the 7BC first.

Just do a forum search for the Alaskan. You can decide if the hate is justified.

I own two 7.62 Raptors. An 8 w/ 3” reflex and a 10 w/ 5” reflex. I’m pleased with the suppression and durability so far. Neither is the lightest can I own, but they are great at my desired purpose.

I don’t own a Reaper, but I do own an OG and OG 6.5. I’d have no concerns about using a high pressure cartridge like the 7 BC with any US/UM can (edit - from a durability perspective, the OG would probably be too loud for a 16.5” 7BC). The Reaper - to me - is the best “general purpose 6” can” on the market.

I don’t own a TBAC can, but I have seen and used them at my local range enough to believe that TBAC’s reputation is deserved.

The new Airlock ZG cans appear to be one if the best hunting options, but not sure about them on a 7BC and a 16.5” barrel. My ZG 6.5 is currently in jail.

 

[Presswood_936]

The Alaskan is super loud , I wouldn’t want one on my 16” 7 bc

 

[AlaskaRed]

Just do a forum search for the Alaskan. You can decide if the hate is justified.

I own two 7.62 Raptors. An 8 w/ 3” reflex and a 10 w/ 5” reflex. I’m pleased with the suppression and durability so far. Neither is the lightest can I own, but they are great at my desired purpose.

I don’t own a Reaper, but I do own an OG and OG 6.5. I’d have no concerns about using a high pressure cartridge like the 7 BC with any US/UM can (edit - from a durability perspective, the OG would probably be too loud for a 16.5” 7BC). The Reaper - to me - is the best “general purpose 6” can” on the market.

I don’t own a TBAC can, but I have seen and used them at my local range enough to believe that TBAC’s reputation is deserved.

The new Airlock ZG cans appear to be one if the best hunting options, but not sure about them on a 7BC and a 16.5” barrel. My ZG 6.5 is currently in jail.

Good to know. The raptor really has me intrigued for the reported "tones" being better. Probably stuck staying at the 8 for a short 7bc.

I really like the idea of a reaper being light and the SRS muzzle brake for it. I am less concered with noise than I am with overall percussion suppression. Less recoil is always a bonus.

 

[AlaskaRed]

The Alaskan is super loud , I wouldn’t want one on my 16” 7 bc

Do you have one? What does super loud mean? If you do how does it handle the percussion and recoil aspects?

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Good to know. The raptor really has me intrigued for the reported "tones" being better. Probably stuck staying at the 8 for a short 7bc.

I really like the idea of a reaper being light and the SRS muzzle brake for it. I am less concered with noise than I am with overall percussion suppression. Less recoil is always a bonus.

The “tones being better” with over-the-barrel suppressors is highly subjective and probably matters most to bystanders, not the shooter. Some cans will have a nails-on-chalkboard effect for bystanders. I am not one of those people, but some of the folks at my local range have commented that they like the tone better from my OTB cans (even ones where they notice that it is louder than another option).

It’s probably about like some people who like cilantro and others who think it tastes like soap. Or people who immediately smell asparagus or coffee in urine, while others don’t.

 

[DannyB]

@AlaskaRed I personally own an Alaskan360 (steel) and I’m not a fan. We did some side-by-side testing against a few other suppressors and it was the loudest and had the harshest recoil of the group. With only four baffles, it does minimal work slowing gas flow, which results in a much sharper recoil impulse compared to something like a SilencerCo Harvester or a TBAC Ultra 7.

 

[AlaskaRed]

@AlaskaRed I personally own an Alaskan360 (steel) and I’m not a fan. We did some side-by-side testing against a few other suppressors and it was the loudest and had the harshest recoil of the group. With only four baffles, it does minimal work slowing gas flow, which results in a much sharper recoil impulse compared to something like a SilencerCo Harvester or a TBAC Ultra 7.

Thanks for the information. This was the type of experience I was looking for.

 

[Timjohnson11]

Thanks for the information. This was the type of experience I was looking for.

I’d pick up an Airlock ZG 7 from @DannyB if it was me..

 

[Samson7x]

I’ve got experience with the Alaskan Ti and it’s not as terrible as most folks make it out. It’s not worth the price IMO. They made it light by reducing baffles which makes it louder. That, combined with the overbore on 7mm wouldn’t be the quietest option. On a 7prc in the mountains it’s not terrible though.

I’d personally opt for the tbac magnus if you want something to accommodate 338.

 

[PaulB84]

Looking for some experience on the topic of suppressors. Not the most well read on this conversations as they have always been a non starter for me. I am building a 7mm backcountry with around a 16.5" barrel. I wanted a suppressor that will work well in that case. I also have a 338 norma that makes the alaska 360 enticing for practice. So, now who has experience with either version of the alaska 360? I would probably use either with the direct thread mount. Open to opinions and experience with other suppressors as well for my use case. Also, please if you give opinions please let my know why you have concluded your opinions as that is helpful to me.

So

I have a savage trail hunter lite 16.5" in 7BC with a Rugged Alaskan 360 Ti. It weighs 8lbs 3oz and change ready to hunt, in a Stockys CF stock with an SWFA 3-15x42 mounted in Hawkins 1 piece base/ring mounts.

It is as handy as a rifle can be. I'm in a straight wall state, so my normal deer rifle is a 16" 450 Bushmaster or 350 legend. I'm used to and spoiled by short barrels with cans.

So it's always a surprise to remember that next to my 24-26" long action magnums i have a rifle that is the size of a 350 legend but in a legit 1000 yard caliber.

No, the Alaskan is not the quietest can out there. If I was doing it again I might go another way. SiCo Scythe, Hyperion K, etc.

But damn, the Alaskan is a light can. And being 35 cal makes it really versatile. Cant put a Scythe on my 338 win mag etc.

I built that rig to be carried for 7 days and fired once. It's not for a range day, it's a back country hunting rifle and excels at that.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Unless you need it for a 338 I wouldn’t even consider that silencer. And even then, it’s a compromise.

There is a guy on rokslide, I forget who that shoots one on a 338wm, I think he said for hunting use its effective at cutting some last and sound but still not ideal. Unfortunatly all the other 338 silencers are large and heavy.

 

[claver]

The Alaskans are meant to be lightest in their class but they aren’t very quiet. But if light is what you’re going for, the TI is shockingly light.

 

[ID-Muley]

The Alaskans are meant to be lightest in their class but they aren’t very quiet. But if light is what you’re going for, the TI is shockingly light.

For sure. They only have a 4 baffle stack I believe which is why they’re so light. Just very loud. I’d rather have our Reaper that’s 2oz heavier or really a few other good suppressors out there and have it be quiet…

 

[AlaskaRed]

Thanks for the perspectives they have been very useful. I've decided an AB Raptor is going to be my first can. After plenty of research I have concluded my 338 is going to need it's own dedicated can, it's just too much cartridge. An AB raptor 8 or 6 will work great on my 7BC and my 308 trainer rifle.

 

[wind gypsy]

Thanks for the perspectives they have been very useful. I've decided an AB Raptor is going to be my first can. After plenty of research I have concluded my 338 is going to need it's own dedicated can, it's just too much cartridge. An AB raptor 8 or 6 will work great on my 7BC and my 308 trainer rifle.

Might want to get AB's take on using a raptor on a 16.5" 7BC if you haven't already. Their published specs indicate that might be a questionable application.

 

[AlaskaRed]

Might want to get AB's take on using a raptor on a 16.5" 7BC if you haven't already. Their published specs indicate that might be a questionable application.

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Possibly.. Reading over federals load data for the 7BC and comparing it to other "non-magnum" charges, like in a 280 AI or 30-06 it comes within a couple grains with similar bullet weights.

Federal's 7BC load data has Ramshot Hunter Max 59.7 gr with a 170 gr terminals ascent. Hodgdon RLDC has 30-06 Ramshot Hunter Max 61.6 gr with a 168 gr ttsx.

Not an exact science but based off load data and comparable cartridges I don't see how a 7BC falls into a magnum cartridge. The 80k pressures everyone is worried about happens in the chamber. From my understanding (I'm open to being wrong here) issues with the suppressors arise from burning powder exiting the barrel into the suppressor. Which is why magnum cartridges have their own barrel length requirements.

 

[wind gypsy]

Possibly.. Reading over federals load data for the 7BC and comparing it to other "non-magnum" charges, like in a 280 AI or 30-06 it comes within a couple grains with similar bullet weights.

Federal's 7BC load data has Ramshot Hunter Max 59.7 gr with a 170 gr terminals ascent. Hodgdon RLDC has 30-06 Ramshot Hunter Max 61.6 gr with a 168 gr ttsx.

Not an exact science but based off load data and comparable cartridges I don't see how a 7BC falls into a magnum cartridge. The 80k pressures everyone is worried about happens in the chamber. From my understanding (I'm open to being wrong here) issues with the suppressors arise from burning powder exiting the barrel into the suppressor. Which is why magnum cartridges have their own barrel length requirements.

I'm certainly no expert but I think it has to do with muzzle pressure and also just handling the volume of gas created. I'd assume the 7 BC has a higher muzzle pressure than standard '06 cases as well. Powder selection probably plays a role in that. Id be surprised if they get to greater than 7RM/7PRC velocity without higher muzzle pressures.

Thunderbeast groups 7 BC with moderate sized magnum cartridges in their barrel length restrictions.