RokStok

[SloppyJ]

Just came back from the range with the new Rokstok. Shoots as tight as before, left to right was dead on but had to adjust the elevation 1 moa down.

Ear muffs ear pros are now in the way, going to have to figure out something. Medium Sportsmatch rings "might" be a bit low which causes me to squish my face down a bit to see through the scope properly (probably doesn't help with the ear pros being in the way). I have some high Sportsmatch with a Nightforce SHV on my .35 Whelen Tikka. I'll plop that action in the Rokstok in the off season to see if thats a better fit.

I imagine the elevation was likely due to the new position that you have behind the rifle. Perhaps pushing down on the stock with your cheek? I think you're dead on with your gut feeling of trying some higher rings.

 

[Sacrvrrat72]

Until now I never realized people expected aftermarket stocks to be 100% drop in. I started using McMillan stocks first back 18-20 years ago. They all got tweaked here/there then bedded. I’ve had McMillan and manners both fit close and some had to be bedded. Just part of modifying things. My rokstock is as close as any after market stock I’ve had. It’s also the factory bottom metal/plastic. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if I change the bm that a modification would be needed.

It’s as if they live under a rock or just want to complain and be obtuse. I have never counted on aftermarket equipment to be perfect in any industry. Hope they never order aftermarket automotive products.

 

[swavescatter]

I think demand-side push for improved production quality is a good thing.

 

[atmat]

It’s as if they live under a rock or just want to complain and be obtuse. I have never counted on aftermarket equipment to be perfect in any industry. Hope they never order aftermarket automotive products.

Or, alternatively, they’re new to modifying guns.

I have lots of aftermarket equipment in lots of different industries that are truly drop-in replacements. It’s not uncommon in today’s day and age for lots of industries.

 

[omicron1792]

Or, alternatively, they’re new to modifying guns.

I have lots of aftermarket equipment in lots of different industries that are truly drop-in replacements. It’s not uncommon in today’s day and age for lots of industries.

Agreed.

So these stocks are only meant for people with lots of time tinkering with guns? Or meant to be installed by a gunsmith?

We get groupthink in here. The VAST majority of consumers that buy a stock marketed as “drop In” expect it to be just that.

 

[Formidilosus]

I think demand-side push for improved production quality is a good thing.

Absolutely it is. But it also needs be accompanied with an understanding of what is realistic

 

[Formidilosus]

Agreed.

So these stocks are only meant for people with lots of time tinkering with guns? Or meant to be installed by a gunsmith?

Neither. It’s simply ignorance of some in what is reality. There is no widespread issue of the inlet depth being bad.

We get groupthink in here.

Most of the group think is from people that lack enough experience to believe something is amiss.

The VAST majority of consumers that buy a stock marketed as “drop In” expect it to be that.

What aftermarket stock are you buying that you believe is fit better on average than the RokStok- that isn’t a one off custom?

 

[omicron1792]

Neither. It’s simply if ignorance of some in what is reality.





Mist of the group think is from people that lack enough experience to believe something is amiss.




What aftermarket stock are you buying that you believe is fit better on average than the RokStok- that isn’t a one off custom?

I don’t have a dog in the fight. I’ve had 3 or four aftermarket stocks, not a rokstock, and 1 of the 3 I couldn’t get to work and had to take to a gunsmith.

I compare it to reloading. If you read alot here, which I do, you end up thinking almost everyone reloads. But if I’m with my buddies IRL that hunt not a one of them reloads. I just think sometimes we forget the common consumer doesn’t know squat about all this stuff. Haha

 

[omicron1792]

@Formidilosus how are you liking the Blaser r8? Killed any animals with it yet?

 

[Lawnboi]

I can wrap my head around inlet depth being off on a 700, there’s a ton of different options for that platform.

The tikka bottom plastic and mags are a pretty know commodity at this point. I havnt needed to shave screws for a tikka stock and iv installed quite a few in McMillan and manners, well over 10 now. On top of that you really don’t see issues with chassis. I’d be pissed had I gotten and had to mess with screws from those companies. I did have to on a custom tikka build from who I thought was a reputable smith who is talked up on here, but when I got the gun it wouldn’t even feed; that was an AG stock and most of the reason I won’t waste my time with another.

I wonder if it’s difficult due to the material or what.

 

[Marbles]

Agreed.

So these stocks are only meant for people with lots of time tinkering with guns? Or meant to be installed by a gunsmith?

We get groupthink in here. The VAST majority of consumers that buy a stock marketed as “drop In” expect it to be just that.

There are two things at play.

One, for the price I'm fine with imperfections and having to improve things.

Two, all the talk at the start of this bout how they were going to be better than the current industry. My last Rokstok came with the Red carpet card, but literally the action inlet was milled a 1/10 of an inch too short and the action wouldn't seat. Easy fix with a band file, but very funny as allegedly someone had checked it. Not something I'm going to bother UM about, but not something I'm going to pretend didn't happen either.

Tikka can mass produce actions that are very consistent. I have a hard time believing stocks cannot be milled consistently. Is it worth the effort? I don't know and I'm not in the stock business because I don't want to find out.

 

[Formidilosus]

@Formidilosus how are you liking the Blaser r8? Killed any animals with it yet?

Not yet. I think I will use it for most stuff this year though. On the stock front, it’s dramatic the difference in shootability between it (or any conventional stock), and a well designed one like a KRG Bravo, ROKStok, etc. When everything is perfect it’s a legit sub .6 MOA for ten round gun. However, screw up those things even a little and it’s a 1.25 MOA group. The amount of care with arm position, grip, and shoulder pressure to achieve the inherent system precision is completely different than what it takes with a well designed stock.

 

[omicron1792]

Not yet. I think I will use it for most stuff this year though. On the stock front, it’s dramatic the difference in shootability between it (or any conventional stock), and a well designed one like a KRG Bravo, ROKStok, etc. When everything is perfect it’s a legit sub .6 MOA for ten round gun. However, screw up those things even a little and it’s a 1.25 MOA group. The amount of care with arm position, grip, and shoulder pressure to achieve the inherent system precision is completely different than what it takes with a well designed stock.

Stock design is definitely a weak point. Lots of European companies making after market stocks now but rarely can they be bought in the USA. Why I was so excited y’all might get a rokstock going for it. That one has to be a drop in though. Ha

 

[Formidilosus]

Stock design is definitely a weak point. Lots of European companies making after market stocks now but rarely can they be bought in the USA. Why I was so excited y’all might get a rokstock going for it. That one has to be a drop in though. Ha

Haha. I don’t know that a carbon fiber RS will be made for the R8’s. There are too many issues, and multiple versions. Maybe eventually, but even the wood one was way more problematic than anyone expected.