“Rokslide Special” .223 Training ammunition?

[WBT]

I just received 400 rounds of the Creedmoor Sports 77 gr. TMK. I had an opportunity to shoot it yesterday and the accuracy was right there with Federal Gold Medal SMK. I didn't test the velocity, but the accuracy seems very promising. I wish I would have bought more.

 

[fwafwow]

I start on ammoseek.

^^^this. There was a 77TMK BH deal on here recently by a member (@h2so4) but I was too slow and missed out. He often has the BH for lower than on ammoseek.

 

[bpitcher]

Has anyone shot the Frontier 77gr?

https://sgammo.com/product/223-556m...mmo-fr262-for-use-in-5-56-nato-chambers-only/

 

[hunterjmj]

After fall hunting I switch over to ADI 55 gr blitzking. Cheaper and I use them for prairie dogs. I think the last time I bought them they were $160/case of 200

 

[h2so4]

^^^this. There was a 77TMK BH deal on here recently by a member (@h2so4) but I was too slow and missed out. He often has the BH for lower than on ammoseek.

I hear he is a very reasonable guy.

 

[WyldGoose]

Has anyone shot the Frontier 77gr?

https://sgammo.com/product/223-556m...mmo-fr262-for-use-in-5-56-nato-chambers-only/

I haven’t but now that the AAC 77g OTM is out of stock this might be a decent substitute. Heck it might even be the same stuff from Hornady.

 

[8mille]

Have been using cheap 55gr ammo out of the CZ and now Tikka, intersperse with 77 gr, shoot at 200 yds and don’t see much variation.

I’ve always used 55 & 62 grains because they were easy to get. It took more effort to come by but I’ll be trying 77 grains soon for the first time. I got a 1:7 twist and am curious to see if the heavier projectiles do better. Might as well try them with my twist rate. But 55&62 shoot fine .

 

[hunting1]

Has anyone shot the Frontier 77gr?

https://sgammo.com/product/223-556m...mmo-fr262-for-use-in-5-56-nato-chambers-only/

It shoots well and AR accurate in all of mine.

 

[WyldGoose]

It shoots well and AR accurate in all of mine.

Just curious, what kind of MV are you seeing and what barrel length?

 

[hunting1]

Just curious, what kind of MV are you seeing and what barrel length?

Without going out and finding my notebook memory was around 2600 in my 18" SPR.

 

[WyldGoose]

Got a case of that new Frontier 77g OTM, first 10 shots got 3 pierced primers. Average MV was 2,744 fps from my 16” Tikka.

 

[UnckleBob]

Alright, finally putting myself together a “Rokslide special” in .223 to test it out for myself (and because I’m honestly finally putting enough rounds downrange that a training rifle makes sense). Starting to get all the components in and finally checked the price of a case of this black hills 77 TMK stuff. After seeing the price, I feel lied to as this being a cost saving endeavor almost might as well keep shooting my 6.5. Also didn’t realize it was 5.56 — assuming this is fine as everyone raves about it.

Anyways, what is everyone using as training ammo that groups close to the TMK’s? I’m assuming the 73 grain ELDM’s will? Not terrible on price and could double as a secondary hunting round, but still on the higher end for caliber. Anything cheaper you guys have found?

I hand load my own, but right now I am out. I should get a large batch loaded up in the summer.

For now, I am substituting in Frontier 55g BTHP because it was cheap and my focus this year with the 223 is teaching my son to shoot. Volume is king

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I have mostly been shooting the AAC 75gr BTHP. Just ordered the 77gr OTM to try out. I had seen some mention of it being slow, but some of the reviews sounded like it was back to 2700.

I'm curious if anyone can answer how the ADI ammo compares to the AAC?

The ADI is lightyears better than the AAC, in my experience.

 

[LongWayAround]

The ADI is lightyears better than the AAC, in my experience.

Good to hear. I ordered 200 to try it out.

I thought the 77 OTM kind of sucked. The 75 BTHP was better, but not by a lot.

 

[Cherokeeguide]

Anyways, what is everyone using as training ammo that groups close to the TMK’s?

Uh..... I don't know about "everyone" but the training ammo I use is the exact same 77 grain "TMK" handload I shoot CMP "Modern Military" and "Service Rifle" matches with and started hunting with last November.

Here is my former .250=3000 load, shot out of my 20" barrel Ruger M77RL Ultralight:

M / 2620 / 1524
100 / 2332 / 1229
200 / 2100 / 980
300 / 1865 / 772

I used that load above to tag 21 mule deer, 3 pronghorn, 2 caribou, 1 bull elk, and God Himself only knows how many California Central Coast feral swine it stacked up. Pop and flop, every time, and I never had to pull the trigger once per animal.

My experience with the .250 Savage informed my decision to settle on 5.56 NATO as the cartridge I would rely on to see me through my twilight years to the end. I'm not really a "numbers guy" but the numbers suggest that a .250 Savage loaded to SAAMI spec pressure has a lot more in common with the .223 Remington than the .243 Winchester, while field results suggested that there are some cartridges that kill all out of proportion to their data in a ballistics chart.

Here's the terminal ballistics of my 5.56 NATO load from my 20" barrel AR-15. (Distance / Velocity / Energy)

M / 2852 / 1391
100 / 2634 / 1186
200 / 2426 / 1006
300 / 2227 / 848

This is a load that I've been using in CMP matches and in practicing for those matches, anyhow. Seeing the results people were getting on game with the same bullet prompted me to give it a try, as having ONE load to do everything I want to do with a centerfire rifle simplifies life that much more.

Last November, I shot two whitetails with the 77 gr. TMK load, which really weren't much of a test for it. Later in the season, I shot a mule deer through the heart with it at 268 yards. This load made a wound channel of obviously higher volume that my 100 grain Partition .250 Savage load did.


I shoot matches, shoot targets for practice, and hunt with the same rifle and now, I use the exact same load for all of it.

 

[JDMBEND]

Uh..... I don't know about "everyone" but the training ammo I use is the exact same 77 grain "TMK" handload I shoot CMP "Modern Military" and "Service Rifle" matches with and started hunting with last November.

Here is my former .250=3000 load, shot out of my 20" barrel Ruger M77RL Ultralight:

M / 2620 / 1524
100 / 2332 / 1229
200 / 2100 / 980
300 / 1865 / 772

I used that load above to tag 21 mule deer, 3 pronghorn, 2 caribou, 1 bull elk, and God Himself only knows how many California Central Coast feral swine it stacked up. Pop and flop, every time, and I never had to pull the trigger once per animal.

My experience with the .250 Savage informed my decision to settle on 5.56 NATO as the cartridge I would rely on to see me through my twilight years to the end. I'm not really a "numbers guy" but the numbers suggest that a .250 Savage loaded to SAAMI spec pressure has a lot more in common with the .223 Remington than the .243 Winchester, while field results suggested that there are some cartridges that kill all out of proportion to their data in a ballistics chart.

Here's the terminal ballistics of my 5.56 NATO load from my 20" barrel AR-15. (Distance / Velocity / Energy)

M / 2852 / 1391
100 / 2634 / 1186
200 / 2426 / 1006
300 / 2227 / 848

This is a load that I've been using in CMP matches and in practicing for those matches, anyhow. Seeing the results people were getting on game with the same bullet prompted me to give it a try, as having ONE load to do everything I want to do with a centerfire rifle simplifies life that much more.

Last November, I shot two whitetails with the 77 gr. TMK load, which really weren't much of a test for it. Later in the season, I shot a mule deer through the heart with it at 268 yards. This load made a wound channel of obviously higher volume that my 100 grain Partition .250 Savage load did.


I shoot matches, shoot targets for practice, and hunt with the same rifle and now, I use the exact same load for all of it.

I like your style. Keep it simple.