Report Violations on Public Land!

[InkedElkSlayer]

I usually don’t post on these back and forth argument threads. Usually stick to the reloading advice, WOD, etc., but this one and some others over the last couple weeks prompted me. Here it goes.

I fully support all the degenerates with their self entitlement, liberty and freedom… until it affects my family’s freedom and opportunity.

I’ve lived and hunted “out west” my entire life. I learned as a kid how far from the truck I had to be to bone vs quarter. I developed my own gear list by spiking out before the Go Hunt dot com guys were out of diapers. I know how to operate around bears AND ticks. All of that, and I’ve somehow been able to maintain a streak of killing an elk on public land, in OTC areas, since Clinton was president… LEGALLY. Someone my boys have killed elk every year they’ve hunted… LEGALLY… And without the use of a battery powered wheel barrel gadget that everyone knows is absolutely illegal off motorized trails. My wife has killed numerous elk, even when she was both 6 and 7 months pregnant… LEGALLY.

So here’s my beef with the entitlement and a real world example. My family has lifetime hunting licenses in a particular state. There is a mule deer unit that we draw on occasion that is legitimately one of the best units out there. It is a fairly large, remote and mountainous unit. Illegal atv and motorcycle activity is common. USFS can’t even scratch the surface on enforcement. So the FG has to manage it. How? By significantly reducing the tags and hunting opportunity to counterbalance the illegal motorized use. So basically these entitlement freedom fighters are limiting my kid’s opportunity at hunting an awesome unit. IF people actually followed the rules, the area could handle significantly more tags due to difficulty, success rate, etc. So your freedom and liberty is limiting my kid’s opportunity.

My opinion. I’m entitled to it.

 

[CoStick]

Not sure what this means. I'll complain about anyone abusing our public lands whether they are transients or someone in a $40,000 UTV.

I agree, I am saying those that choose to ignore the rules are no different than the rainbow hippies approach.

 

[Matt Cashell]

Stupid rules should be broken.

Public land exists to be used by the public and that includes places too far to walk. A road exists to facilitate this and closing the road denies the public something that they have a right to.

Civil disobedience is our birthright. The guy driving around a locked gate was right. The gate should be destroyed.

Places too far to walk?

What a strange entitlement take on this issue.

Civil disobedience doesn’t include vandalism or resource damage.

Civil disobedience also comes with consequences.

 

[Nickofthewoods]

I agree, I am saying those that choose to ignore the rules are no different than the rainbow hippies approach.

Ok I see what you're saying now thanks for clarifying, I misunderstood.

 

[scott85]

Civil disobedience would also mean, hunting without a tag, killing game outside the posted season, killing more than the more than the season limit and going into units I don’t have a tag for. Because I have a right to feed my family and everything else is just trivial and imposed by the government to impose their will on the people. It’s not the rules are in place to protect wildlife and their habitat.

 

[Matt Cashell]

Civil disobedience would also mean, hunting without a tag, killing game outside the posted season, killing more than the more than the season limit and going into units I don’t have a tag for.

That isn’t civil disobedience, it’s just poaching. It damages the resource.

Civil disobedience is done in the public view to illicit change, not in secret for personal benefit.

If they organized a peaceful sit-in at the agency headquarters to protest a gate they don’t like … that would be civil disobedience. And they would still likely end up in jail and court.

 

[scott85]

That isn’t civil disobedience, it’s just poaching. It damages the resource.

Civil disobedience is done in the public view to illicit change, not in secret for personal benefit.

If they organized a peaceful sit-in at the agency headquarters to protest a gate they don’t like … that would be civil disobedience. And they would still likely end up in jail and court.

Oh I agree 100%. Going around a closed gate isn’t civil disobedience either.

 

[Matt Cashell]

Oh I agree 100%. Going around a closed gate isn’t civil disobedience either.

Oh I gotcha. Agreed.

 

[couesbitten]

I think public lands and rokslide would be better off without a few posters here…. Always report if possible. In my experience, if they are breaking land use rules, they are breaking several other.

I agree with this. Based on his comments in this thread, it sounds to me like a person wouldn't have to follow QuackAttack around very long and you'd witness him doing something that you could turn him in for. I personally love roadless areas and seek them out. I love to get away from lazy road hunters.

 

[RMM]

Stupid rules should be broken.

Public land exists to be used by the public and that includes places too far to walk. A road exists to facilitate this and closing the road denies the public something that they have a right to.

Civil disobedience is our birthright. The guy driving around a locked gate was right. The gate should be destroyed.

Too far to walk for who? As far as using public land goes, you're more than welcome to use it, you just have to walk or ride a bike to do it. Or you can sit around on the internet and complain about rules that the general public has no problem adhering to, you know, like a Karen.

 

[Travis907]

Keep doing the right thing and continue to call those blatant violations in! Rules and laws apply to all, not just some!

 

[87TT]

We have to have "stupid laws" because of stupid people.

 

[Billy Goat]

We have to have "stupid laws" because of duck hunters.

Fify

 

[coelk81]

Funny I know exactly what road and where that gate is. I have hiked to my cabin from there and spent many nights being the only one up the canyon this time of year. With that said I know many locals who use their UTVs and do this exact thing. I wasn't there so I cant name any names, but I know many who would do just this.....I do not agree with doing this and would gladly turn anyone in who I witnessed doing it. Not that the local enforcement would do anything..... boulders aside anyways.

There are reasons that gate exists where and when it does. It does NOT deny public access, you just have to use your feet or wait a few more weeks till the road is opened. To drive around this gate and/or any others is plain laziness.

 

[z987k]

Oh I agree 100%. Going around a closed gate isn’t civil disobedience either.

It can be. But like said above, a single person doing it in secret isn't.

Now say a whole town used that road for their water supply or something else critical and the feds came in and just shut it down. It's likely 1000+ people would tell them to F off, cut the gate down and continue like before. They could try to cite them, but go try citing 1000+ angry people who you are actively harming.
That's where it works.

In relation to hunting here's a really good example of civil disobedience that very much worked.

The Barrow Duck-In - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Wyobohunter]

I don't agree that we have the right to drive whatever we want, wherever we want. We need some rules to keep lands from being destroyed and to give animals a place to escape. Do you also think we should be able to drive our atvs wherever we want regardless of there being a road or trail?

My guess would be that that’s exactly how he sees it. He’s likely one of those super slobs who’s butt is glued to his UTV seat all day long. It probably annoys him that he can’t shoot from right there in that seat. Some folks can and should be allowed to do that, they have a disability and can prove it to game & fish. Otherwise, get out and walk a little. Or at least stay in your lane (pun intended).

 

[tdhanses]

My guess would be that that’s exactly how he sees it. He’s likely one of those super slobs who’s butt is glued to his UTV seat all day long. It probably annoys him that he can’t shoot from right there in that seat. Some folks can and should be allowed to do that, they have a disability and can prove it to game & fish. Otherwise, get out and walk a little. Or at least stay in your lane (pun intended).

So it’s legal to shoot out of a utv with only a disability waiver, seems like that might be abused some. Last year in WY I saw resident after resident driving where they aren’t allowed, you can only turn people in so much, fact is there just aren’t enough to enforce the rules no matter the state. Can those with disabilities just drive whereever?

 

[Wyobohunter]

So it’s legal to shoot out of a utv with only a disability waiver, seems like that might be abused some. Last year in WY I saw resident after resident driving where they aren’t allowed, you can only turn people in so much, fact is there just aren’t enough to enforce the rules no matter the state. Can those with disabilities just drive whereever?

Please don’t communicate with me. I’m not sure how the “ignore” feature works but I’ll give it a try. Maybe you could do the same? It might save some pointless back and forth.

Thanks!

Edit: I see how it works. I can’t read your comments. No point in either of us addressing the other person.

 

[QuackAttack]

The original post states that it was a seasonal closure in the spring and the road was wet and muddy. This happens all over the country to prevent roads from getting tore up etc.. A few trips down there could destroy it to the point where it's impassable. Road closures are there for a reason.

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Who cares if a road gets ruts in the winter? That’s totally normal and is fixed with a blade and tractor. I do this yearly on miles of dirt road and the state does the same. We should expect road maintenance…we pay taxes.


There is yearly maintenance for boat ramps, dirt roads, trails, and so on.

We have a right to access public land. Roads are how that happens. Closing a road is denial of access. It’s wrong.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Who cares if a road gets ruts in the winter? That’s totally normal and is fixed with a blade and tractor. I do this yearly on miles of dirt road and the state does the same. We should expect road maintenance…we pay taxes.


There is yearly maintenance for boat ramps, dirt roads, trails, and so on.

We have a right to access public land. Roads are how that happens. Closing a road is denial of access. It’s wrong.

You. Ignored… what a great feature. I’ll just start ignoring the people that constantly post pointless garbage. Maybe they’ll reciprocate