Reluctantly Obliging Matt Rinella

[KurtR]

1) Landowner tags.

2) Do you know anything about point creep? Arizona late season archery? Wyoming elk draw odds? Montana draw odds? Idaho for the NR? You used to be able to hunt these states for elk every single year. OTC is seeminly going away as Colorado will surely end this in the next 5-10 years, many are saying this at least. Theres only a few dozen more examples of lost opportunity. Go check the graphs on any tag hub or F&G site, the direction we are heading is down the drain for yearly opportunities. Thus the arguement that we need more hunters is lame.



Your midwest unlimited whitetail tags hunting private dont mean chit to anyone. I know you dont have 11 elk/mule deer tags.

So if the midwestern whitetail hunter doesnt mean shit why should anyone from the midwest care about the plight of western hunters?

 

[CFarrington96]

1) Landowner tags.

2) Do you know anything about point creep? Arizona late season archery? Wyoming elk draw odds? Montana draw odds? Idaho for the NR? You used to be able to hunt these states for elk every single year. OTC is seeminly going away as Colorado will surely end this in the next 5-10 years, many are saying this at least. Theres only a few dozen more examples of lost opportunity. Go check the graphs on any tag hub or F&G site, the direction we are heading is down the drain for yearly opportunities. Thus the arguement that we need more hunters is lame.

I’m not saying we need more hunters, but there’s plenty of hunting opportunity out there if you’re willing to look for it. It just seems like guys would rather piss and moan they don’t draw a deer tag in their state every year rather than look for new opportunities though.

 

[ODB]

Matt is the only thing that makes Matt think his opinion is the correct one.

And anyone disagreeing will never get a word in to explain why.

I don’t think you’ve listed to too many episodes. He allows anyone to disagree. Matt has a few small, simple (which are the hardest to defeat legitimately) points that people have a very hard time rebuffing. For example: how does showing dead and dying animals to anonymous people on social media help hunting, conservation, or the average hunters access to public land?

 

[Eastonsgrandpa]

I don’t think you’ve listed to too many episodes. He allows anyone to disagree. Matt has a few small, simple (which are the hardest to defeat legitimately) points that people have a very hard time rebuffing. For example: how does showing dead and dying animals to anonymous people on social media help hunting, conservation, or the average hunters access to public land?

I've actually listened to multiple. I actually agree with him on many points and think those points are a valid discussion to be had. What I don't agree with is his incessant need to be so edgy that he would tell potential ears to never hear his voice again if you don't fall in lock step with him.
If you saw my SM, which is on private, you would see that I have only two dead animals on there (other than the disgusting maggot infested beaver that decided to die in my favorite fishing hole, the bastard) and that is one chukar, and the very top of an elk leg, in a game bag, poking out the top of my backpack. I don't need to share all of that. I would much rather share the views I see, or the colors of the trees I get to walk through, or the time around the fire in the evening with friends. I am not offended in the least by those kinds of photos if done tastefully and never with an animal being sat on, but I don't feel the drive to do so myself.


His points need to be discussed. But maybe he could have someone capable of putting them out there take over and he just sit back and get drunk without a microphone.

 

[87TT]

For the record, I don’t hate him. I just don’t give a crap what he thinks.

 

[Elkangle]

1) Landowner tags.

2) Do you know anything about point creep? Arizona late season archery? Wyoming elk draw odds? Montana draw odds? Idaho for the NR? You used to be able to hunt these states for elk every single year. OTC is seeminly going away as Colorado will surely end this in the next 5-10 years, many are saying this at least. Theres only a few dozen more examples of lost opportunity. Go check the graphs on any tag hub or F&G site, the direction we are heading is down the drain for yearly opportunities. Thus the arguement that we need more hunters is lame.



Your midwest unlimited whitetail tags hunting private dont mean chit to anyone. I know you dont have 11 elk/mule deer tags.

your right the only tags were gona count in this conversation is the ones that we can never obtain

Your correct there is point creep in alot of units but not necessarily all units...its not a all inclusive plague people make it out to be

Idaho is back to the demand it was when I first started there 17 years ago

There is definitely more demand in alot of states but I don't think Aron snider is to blame

If you would like ideas on how to get tags feel free to pm me, i have no problems helping guys out

Negative minds struggle to see opportunity even when it's right infront of them

 

[CorbLand]

your right the only tags were gona count in this conversation is the ones that we can never obtain

Your correct there is point creep in alot of units but not necessarily all units...its not a all inclusive plague people make it out to be

Idaho is back to the demand it was when I first started there 17 years ago

There is definitely more demand in alot of states but I don't think Aron snider is to blame

If you would like ideas on how to get tags feel free to pm me, i have no problems helping guys out

Negative minds struggle to see opportunity even when it's right infront of them

Snyder is not solely to blame but he and other definitely are. I can tell you for a fact that HUSH and BRO has inspired a younger generation to hunt. Many of those, still in high school, are building points in other states.

Point creep is real, many more states and/or units have experienced it than havent. It is not going to slow down and will only get worse.

Can you show the data that Idaho is at the same demand it was in 2005/2006?

 

[WKR]

I'm sorry to offend your hero but matts radicalism is so off putting that the only logical explanation is some kind of shortcomin on his part... people that reach as far as he does to extract the negativety from any one situation rarely exudes success..I mean this guy has mentioned having a 1elk a year nation wide bill proposed because he knows what you need better then the game management

He has might as well be a Peta member for all I am concerned

If it is so radical then why are people listening and joining him in his efforts?

And out of curiosity what do you do if you fill all 11 tags? Give away the meat?

 

[WKR]

I've actually listened to multiple. I actually agree with him on many points and think those points are a valid discussion to be had. What I don't agree with is his incessant need to be so edgy that he would tell potential ears to never hear his voice again if you don't fall in lock step with him.
If you saw my SM, which is on private, you would see that I have only two dead animals on there (other than the disgusting maggot infested beaver that decided to die in my favorite fishing hole, the bastard) and that is one chukar, and the very top of an elk leg, in a game bag, poking out the top of my backpack. I don't need to share all of that. I would much rather share the views I see, or the colors of the trees I get to walk through, or the time around the fire in the evening with friends. I am not offended in the least by those kinds of photos if done tastefully and never with an animal being sat on, but I don't feel the drive to do so myself.


His points need to be discussed. But maybe he could have someone capable of putting them out there take over and he just sit back and get drunk without a microphone.

He wasn't drunk.
And to your original post and point, we recorded a podcast last night addressing the some of the issues you brought up. If you still have an open mind about things, listen to it and let me know what you think. It'll be released soon.

 

[WV Mountaineer]

That’s what you got out of it? Funny.

Nope. It’s what I got out of this thread.

Reading comprehension is important. So is the ability to look in the mirror.

 

[deertrout]

For all of you who hate Matt, or think of him as a closed minded bully, I suggest that you listen to the podcast episode that he did with Randy Newberg.

Some of you are dismissing Matt as a crackpot who is doing a poor job of getting his crazy ideas across. I will ask you guys this: prior to Matt kicking up a fuss, when was the last time you heard hunters openly debating the topics that Matt is upset about?

The article about Sitka’s snowboarder mentioned the debate that is happening regarding hunter recruitment. Randy Newberg has said that he reevaluated his online content and has made changes.

I would credit Matt with making hunters and hunting companies take a hard look at how our impact of our actions.

I support Matt's message and listen to most of the pidcasts he has put out, but here's the thing, during that episode he confronted Newberg and Newberg argued his side of the coin beautifully, Matt seemed to open his mind to what Newberg was saying. But not really, he is still throwing out the same arguments he was before that episode. He seemed to open his mind on the episode with Bryan from Day Six, too, who also argued his side of the coin beautifully. Matt seemed to realize that he might be fighting for some things that might be futile and which are actually taking away from the things he is fighting for which he can actually make a difference on. We'll see if he opened his mind in a few months, but I expect we will hear more of the same stuff he's already been saying.

Like I said, I support his cause, I just wish the cause had a spokesman who knew how to play the game.

 

[4090Sharps]

I’m not saying we need more hunters, but there’s plenty of hunting opportunity out there if you’re willing to look for it. It just seems like guys would rather piss and moan they don’t draw a deer tag in their state every year rather than look for new opportunities though.

That's still a loss of opportunity. There is a time and money expense associated with looking for opportunity in other state, and it also can lead to loss of opportunity on home turf for the places you travel to.

An easy example here in AZ is the archery deer quota system, which impacts residents and nonresidents, and in some ways has an outsized impact on residents. A NR hunter is already traveling to hunt, not necessarily a big deal to pivot to a new unit.

 

[intunegp]

He wasn't drunk.
And to your original post and point, we recorded a podcast last night addressing the some of the issues you brought up. If you still have an open mind about things, listen to it and let me know what you think. It'll be released soon.

I think this illustrates his point perfectly though. Matt drew a line in the sand saying there is nothing to be had on his podcast for anyone who might buy Sitka. Now the same listeners he told to get bent need to remain open minded and tune in for the next episode? I know you're not Matt and you just work with him but he doesn't seem like the poster boy for open mindedness when he makes statements like that.

 

[Justin Crossley]

Does Matt get along with his brother Steve?

He said on his most recent podcast that they no longer have a relationship

Two brothers who don't have a relationship because of stuff like this is really sad.

 

[CorbLand]

Two brothers who don't have a relationship because of stuff like this is really sad.

I never understood how lucky I was that my family gets along as well as we do until I got married. I have two older brothers that I call weekly, I talk to my mom a couple times a week and I can call any of my cousins and talk with them for 20 minutes. My wifes family is always at odds over the most petty shit. Someone asked me if that made me mad that they were like that. I said, "Nope, it makes me sad."

 

[Eastonsgrandpa]

He wasn't drunk.
And to your original post and point, we recorded a podcast last night addressing the some of the issues you brought up. If you still have an open mind about things, listen to it and let me know what you think. It'll be released soon.

And I'd give him more of a pass if he had actually been drunk. At least then I could say I've been there and said stupid shit I wish I hadn't the next day. For him to blather like that sober makes it even worse.


I would listen, but Matt grounded me for being a horrible Sitka wearing heathen. Maybe one day he will see fit to let me out of time out.

 

[Eastonsgrandpa]

Nope. It’s what I got out of this thread.

Reading comprehension is important. So is the ability to look in the mirror.

Wouldn't it be much less time consuming to just type out the word "derp?"

When I said "it" I was specifically referencing this thread. But hey, it might just be my issues with reading comprehension too.

 

[Eastonsgrandpa]

I think this illustrates his point perfectly though. Matt drew a line in the sand saying there is nothing to be had on his podcast for anyone who might buy Sitka. Now the same listeners he told to get bent need to remain open minded and tune in for the next episode? I know you're not Matt and you just work with him but he doesn't seem like the poster boy for open mindedness when he makes statements like that.

THIS!!
He went as far as to call into question my very integrity and sense of decency if I ever were to push the listen button again. How ridiculous to assume that after such a tirade that I would ever give him the time of day again, let alone entertain his ideas. Short of an apology, which he will most likely never offer, I will not consider him a voice in the discussion again.

 

[TheTone]

I can tell you for a fact that HUSH and BRO has inspired a younger generation to hunt. Many of those, still in high school, are building points in other states.

And the hush dorks certainly are using landowner tags and other avenues to keep things going for them, but hey anyone can do it…

 

[CorbLand]

And the hush dorks certainly are using landowner tags and other avenues to keep things going for them, but hey anyone can do it…

They all are. I loved that the first season of BRO Land of the Free was all about public land...then the first episode of season 2 was on private ground...

Honestly, what Matt needs to harp on with the private ground stuff isnt that people can lease the ground. He needs to attack it from the landowner tags, and the fact that land owners are doing anything they can to pull animals off public ground to their property. That is going to "privatize" hunting way faster than allowing leasing.

These programs were set up to increase land owner tolerance of wild animals and have morphed into government subsidized private hunting reserves for people. Same with the push for guide draws in more states.