Received the Vaccine today...

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Wvroach

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Historically vaccines do not cause long term side effects. Hence the piles upon piles of evidence suggesting as such.

If people are that worried wait for a different vaccine method from Oxford, Sinovac, or J&J and not one using MRNA technology.
I mean are we open to other sources with piles of evidence that contradict your point of view? * Cut off edit starts here. Or are we only going to look at a certain set of statistics? Majority agreement means nothing if we went by that train we would all still be watching the sun revolve around the earth.
I got my first dose this morning. Any risk benefit analysis is heavy skewed to getting the vaccine, even when accounting for the fact that some people will not get the virus.

So far about 5.2% of the population has had a confirmed case of COVID (even if we assume that undercounts the cases by 4x, there is still a long way to go). Yet, it will solidly hold the third leading cause of death (behind heart disease and cancer) for 2020 in the US. That hold is solid enough that even if the methodologies for counting are flawed, the result is unlikely to be different once corrected for. Considering that the methodology used is the same as is used for figuring all other causes of death, there is little reason to doubt the rankings. Further, preliminary all cause mortality data supports a significant increase in deaths this year across society.

If one ascribes to the idea that case counts are artificially inflated, than than there is an even longer way for this to run.

There is such a vast gulf between how this vaccine works and how the fictional vaccine in I Am Ledged worked that such comparisons are beyond laughable.

Anyway, this has all been hashed out before. I'll up date you guys if I grow three heads or something.
The I am legend part was purely comedy, sorry if that didn't come across.

I still stick to my original statement that if you feel the government or or big pharma have your best interest at heart you must be blind or I'll informed. That being said I'm fine if you want the vaccine as long as your fine if I do not.
 
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I mean are we open to other sources with piles of evidence that contradict your point of view? * Cut off edit starts here. Or are we only going to look at a certain set of statistics? Majority agreement means nothing if we went by that train we would all still be watching the sun revolve around the earth.

The I am legend part was purely comedy, sorry if that didn't come across.

I still stick to my original statement that if you feel the government or or big pharma have your best interest at heart you must be blind or I'll informed. That being said I'm fine if you want the vaccine as long as your fine if I do not.

What “piles” of evidence do you know of showing the dangers of vaccines? And I mean those that outweigh the benefits of getting vaccinations? Not a .0001% chance of something happening.

Which peer reviewed scientific journals are you referring to? Please link them, we’ll wait.

And like I suggested earlier, if people are worried about the new mRNA technology wait for a vaccine using more traditional proven methods. The efficacy may be lower but we know from repeated historical data that they are not statistically dangerous enough for the risks to be relevant.
 
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My aunts got it now, no taste no smell and feels like shit but she’s doing okay. She’s in her 50’s, I was worried it would hit her hard.

Another guy I know, 38 pretty good shape but prediabetic, he was in the hospital for a week.

The worst part is it’s a very unpredictable virus. Some people have no symptoms, quite a few actually but they’re contagious. Other people get it and die. Albeit mostly the elderly and those with comprised immune systems.

I don’t get the flu shot and I’m not a fan of vaxing children at the recommended frequency suggested nowadays. Our family spread out the vaccinations. The kids got them but not on the suggested schedule.

I’ll likely get this vaccination down the road. I’m not in a rush but I don’t want to be the reason my dad or grandmother get the virus. They would not fare well.

I respect everyone’s choice. It’s important people can make the choice on their own and not face scrutiny or penalty for that decision, whatever it may be.
 

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I thought a pandemic killed a good % of the world population..... not less than 1%?????? What has covid killed? 0.2% plus no flu deaths this year, they cured the flu with covid.

No, the definition of a pandemic is primarily geographic (multi-continent or worldwide spread). The notion that the disease has to kill a certain a % of world population to qualify is patently false. As an example, the 2009 H1N1 pandemic killed 18K globally, slightly fewer that the number of people COVID has killed in New Jersey.

Based on simple math, COVID has killed 1.79% of those who have contracted it in the US (322.1K deaths/17.997M positive cases - Worldometers), which seems the most relevant stat for this discussion.
 

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I respect everyone’s choice. It’s important people can make the choice on their own and not face scrutiny or penalty for that decision, whatever it may be.
One way or the other people are going to have to own their decisions. Just like people that get a vaccine may have complications. People that won’t get the vaccine in addition to risking catching covid will likely run into issues traveling out of country and could also see certain businesses or fields requiring it. Could see schools requiring it as well if research shows kids are safe to get it.

Hopefully we don’t come to that point but who knows. It’s widespread enough we probably can’t come out of this without mass vaccinations barring long term natural immunity like we saw with original SARS.
 

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What “piles” of evidence do you know of showing the dangers of vaccines? And I mean those that outweigh the benefits of getting vaccinations? Not a .0001% chance of something happening.

Which peer reviewed scientific journals are you referring to? Please link them, we’ll wait....

And like I suggested earlier, if people are worried about the new mRNA technology wait for a vaccine using more traditional proven methods. The efficacy may be lower but we know from repeated historical data that they are not statistically dangerous enough for the risks to be relevant.
So I'll refer back to my previous posting about majority opinion meaning absolutely nothing to me. I will think for myself instead of allowing the "experts" to decide for me. Do you not find it odd that all other evidence to the contrary is throttled and hidden by big tech and government?

I'll choose not to inject aluminum, formaldehyde, and small strains of rna or virons into my body willingly. Many side effects of vaccines are chocked off to something else down the line that do not show up immediately and I find it hard to believe that one made in such haste could possibly be "safe" especially with meddling by a government that perpetuates population control and funds infanticide. Oh which they use the preborn for testing material for your precious vaccines....
 

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Do you not find it odd that all other evidence to the contrary is throttled and hidden by big tech and government?
Because evidence of such has been shown to be incorrect, proven to be wrong. Doesn’t seem odd to me at all.

That would be like allowing a book to exist and be taught in schools saying that Germany won WWII. It doesn’t exist because it’s not reality.
 

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I'll choose not to inject aluminum, formaldehyde, and small strains of rna or virons into my body willingly....

Here’s what’s in Pfizer’s vaccine:

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Because evidence of such has been shown to be incorrect, proven to be wrong. Doesn’t seem odd to me at all.

That would be like allowing a book to exist and be taught in schools saying that Germany won WWII. It doesn’t exist because it’s not reality.
Ahh just like the evidence that doesn't exist about voter fraud, gun deaths, media bias etc... The list can go on for miles of all the things that the MSM and govt hide from us and gets slipped under the rug with no attention paid unless you really dig in to it...

You are allowed to have your opinion and I'll have mine. As long as no one is forcing my family or myself to do anything I'm fine with it.
Because evidence of such has been shown to be incorrect, proven to be wrong. Doesn’t seem odd to me at all.

That would be like allowing a book to exist and be taught in schools saying that Germany won WWII. It doesn’t exist because it’s not reality.
 
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I’ll get it after we know for sure it’s safe due to compromised people I love, but I’d likely risk it if not for that.

On a side note, if I grow a 3rd eye, can someone make me an outdoorsman adapter to add another Swaro lens barrel to my binos? I wonder if that would turn them into Tri-novids? TIA


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Seriously dude?

You don't see the relevance and importance given this year-long circumstance? SMH....
No. No I don’t. Do you post when your kids get the chicken pox shot? Flu shot every year? Etc. I get it, some people die from covid and covid alone. But all the people that die from not wearing seat belts we don’t care about? Do you post about wearing seat belt? There are many things more dangerous than covid that we need to worry about; I’d be willing to be your chance of dying in a car wreck going to work is far greater than covid (and please don’t give the BS covid figures)
 

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Someone had a good suggestion to post actual stats on reactions and contracting Covid.

Kaiser is vaccinating 14,000 of their first line Doctors and nurses And they keep meticulous statistics., I will post them when available.

i can tell you from what my wife and her friends in other front line treatment are seeing:

A huge % of deaths are SNF patients, over 80 with comorbidities. Only a handful of deaths in our county of 2.5M under the age if 40 have died.....which is great news for those of us that are healthy.

Heres to hoping this thread doesn't get mucked up with nonsense.

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No. No I don’t. Do you post when your kids get the chicken pox shot? Flu shot every year? Etc. I get it, some people die from covid and covid alone. But all the people that die from not wearing seat belts we don’t care about? Do you post about wearing seat belt? There are many things more dangerous than covid that we need to worry about; I’d be willing to be your chance of dying in a car wreck going to work is far greater than covid (and please don’t give the BS covid figures)
Moving on.
 
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