Rangefinding Binoculars

In the lower price range ($1,000-$1200), you’re basically choosing onboard ballistics OR decent glass.

The Leica Geovid R and GPO are decent glass but no solver (I would say slightly better optically than Razor UHD but that’s an opinion), the vortex fury ab and sig kilo 6k have a decent solver, but both have glass equal to about a $250 pair of binos.
Not even close. I've owned several 3200's, a Sig3000 Kilo, and the Fury AB. Obviously the Leicas have superior glass, but a far inferior RF. The Fury AB's are easily on par with the Vortex Viper HD, and get my 64 yr old eyes easily to last legal shooting light. They are sharp and have great contrast. They outclass the Sig's easily. The Sig has the fastest RF, but the AB is very close, and very seldom ever misses a range.
 
Not even close. I've owned several 3200's, a Sig3000 Kilo, and the Fury AB. Obviously the Leicas have superior glass, but a far inferior RF. The Fury AB's are easily on par with the Vortex Viper HD, and get my 64 yr old eyes easily to last legal shooting light. They are sharp and have great contrast. They outclass the Sig's easily. The Sig has the fastest RF, but the AB is very close, and very seldom ever misses a range.
Can get Viper HDs for $299 so JG was not too far off...

 
In the lower price range ($1,000-$1200), you’re basically choosing onboard ballistics OR decent glass.

The Leica Geovid R and GPO are decent glass but no solver (I would say slightly better optically than Razor UHD but that’s an opinion), the vortex fury ab and sig kilo 6k have a decent solver, but both have glass equal to about a $250 pair of binos.
Which GPO did you have?
 
Not even close. I've owned several 3200's, a Sig3000 Kilo, and the Fury AB. Obviously the Leicas have superior glass, but a far inferior RF. The Fury AB's are easily on par with the Vortex Viper HD, and get my 64 yr old eyes easily to last legal shooting light. They are sharp and have great contrast. They outclass the Sig's easily. The Sig has the fastest RF, but the AB is very close, and very seldom ever misses a range.
Svbony SA202, Athlon Ares, and Celestron Nature DX ED are all equal or better than vipers/furys and are all below $250. That’s just a few. The 42mm sig 6k’s are worse, but the x32’s are optically in the same ballpark.

Comparing the fury solely to the viper is a little unfair because the viper isn’t the best glass in its price point by any stretch, but even then, it still can be frequently found under $300.
 
Svbony SA202, Athlon Ares, and Celestron Nature DX ED are all equal or better than vipers/furys and are all below $250. That’s just a few. The 42mm sig 6k’s are worse, but the x32’s are optically in the same ballpark.

Comparing the fury solely to the viper is a little unfair because the viper isn’t the best glass in its price point by any stretch, but even then, it still can be frequently found under $300.
We'll just disagree then. I've spent hours behind them on tripods, and I own Razor UHD, SLC 8 and 10x, EL 10x50's, Meostar HD, a Viper HD, and owned 3/3200's, the Nikon Laserforce, and the Sig3000. Virtually no difference between the AB and Viper HD.
 
The old ones can, not the new version. Moral to the story is if you get past the VDRS, they both get you to last legal shooting light without any problem.

You said Viper HD while mocking the price point. A rational adult would say “touché” and chuckle about my response.

You should learn to lighten up especially when you are the one that opened the door.
 
I ordered the 10x42 Geovid Pro's today. Went and handled the Pro's along with the Geovid R's at the local Sportsman's. Found glass to be very good with both pairs. However, I found the ergo's much better with the Pro's. I currently have NL Pure's in 10x52 as well as a set of the Pure 8x32s that I plan on comparing to the Pro's.
 
In answer to the OP question, Sig did make significant improvements in optical quality with the new 10K RF Binos. They will still not come close to optical quality of Zeiss, Swaro, or Leica but you no longer get a headache. I have the Sig and Swaro RF... When I am trying to pick fly crap out of pepper, I need the Swaro. When I want the best tech of RF Binos, I use the Sig. The Swaro Track Assist is okay if you're shooting in areas that are going to be hard to track, but it's not been very reliable for me.

But the old reviews of headaches and eye fatigue were legit in Sig. I just think with the update, they've alleviated a lot of that issue.

If I was looking for highest quality glass with advanced tech for ballistics, I'd probably sell both and go for Leica Geovid Pro AB+
 
The Leica Geovid Pro AB+ is what I'm hoping to go with. I have the first gen Sig 6k I think it is and the AB version of the Vortex, but I want something with better glass.
 
The Leica Geovid Pro AB+ is what I'm hoping to go with. I have the first gen Sig 6k I think it is and the AB version of the Vortex, but I want something with better glass.
The 2nd gen Sig 6k is a huge improvement over the first gen. No blue tint.
 
I picked up a pair of Gen2 Viper HDs last summer (when they were under $400) and have been quite happy with the price/performance. Eyecups are soft and extend far enough that they form a good seal at contact for me.

How about using that glass for a Fury refresh with a mid-mount laser (a la Geovid)?
 
My main sticking point with any options would be that it needs to be fully able to fill the role of both a traditional binocular and rangefinder. Glass has to be good, RF has to be on par with a standalone.

I'm not sure whether I need them to provide corrections in the optic. It's easy enough to check my chart.

Let me know what you guys think.


I currently have, or have used extensively- including seeing a couple hundred people using; these from memory:

1). Swarovski EL ranges- all generations

2). Zeiss RF

3). Meopta Meorange

4) Leica Geovid and R, HD-B, 3200.com, Pro 32mm and a bit of 42mm

5) Vortex 5000HD and AB

6). Sig 10k and some Gen 2. A bit on the 6k.

7). Bushnell- all RF binos

8). Some GPO 32mm

9). Revic BLR10b

10). Vectronix Vector X

Probably more.


The Revics have no real competition in accessing pure shooting capabilities, while having usable to decent glass. If ballistics are not required, I (and a whole bunch of people I have seen) prefer the Geovid R’s over all others. The Geovid Pro’s were the first Leica’s that I could actually say have observably better glass- usually observed as better color rendition by most.
The Swaro EL Range’s have excellent glass, but I don’t prefer glassing with them over the Geovid R’s- many others I have been around prefer them as well- there is just something comfortable about glassing with them.

My personal view is that of those above, the ones really worth looking at are-

1). Swarovski EL ranges. Excellent glass, ballistics are returned quickly; the laser is weak often beyond 900’ish yards and in fog/rain/snow.

2) Leica Geovid and R and Pro’s.
The Geovid R’s: are the “easiest” or “most comfortable” to glass with- very good laser to 1600 yards +/-, good in all weather.

Pro’s: Excellent glass- I prefer them to Swaro, very good RF to +/- 1600 yards. Relatively slow return on ballistics.


3) Vortex 5000HD and AB: Good to really good laser in most/all weather. Glass is usable, not great- as stated about like decent $300 binos. Return of ballistics is glacially slow (relatively). Their main draw is lifetime warranty on electronics and reliability of laser.

4). Sig 10k and some Gen 2. A bit on the 6k.

Wouldn’t use a Gen 1. Gen 2 is about like Vortex 5000HD’s. Laser is good. Reliability is better than most Sigs. Their main draw is the ability for ballistic profiles, and ranging. They are slow to return ballistics as well.

5). Revic BLR10b. Best laser in all weather conditions, best ballistics data speed, easy wind vector changes, simple, reliable. Glass is usably good- about in the middle between Vortex 5000hd and the alphas- good resolution, soft on color rendition compared to Leica/Zeiss/Swaro. When the app needs an update, you have to update it before swapping or making a new profile for the binos- can’t do it on a mountain without service.


All of that to say- if the RF and ballistics are critical= Revics. If glass is critical (not many it really is), with decent laser and ballistics= Swaro EL Range or Leica Pro’s. If great all-around performance is desired, but if ballistics are not critical= Geovid R’s. If warranty is the only, or most critical aspect, with usable glass and usable ballistics- the Vortex 5000 AB.
 
I don't know if anyone has mentioned the Burris signature lrf binos yet.
I have a pair and really like them. They're not a ballistic calculator but range really quick.
Excellent glass
 
I currently have, or have used extensively- including seeing a couple hundred people using; these from memory:

1). Swarovski EL ranges- all generations

2). Zeiss RF

3). Meopta Meorange

4) Leica Geovid and R, HD-B, 3200.com, Pro 32mm and a bit of 42mm

5) Vortex 5000HD and AB

6). Sig 10k and some Gen 2. A bit on the 6k.

7). Bushnell- all RF binos

8). Some GPO 32mm

9). Revic BLR10b

10). Vectronix Vector X

Probably more.


The Revics have no real competition in accessing pure shooting capabilities, while having usable to decent glass. If ballistics are not required, I (and a whole bunch of people I have seen) prefer the Geovid R’s over all others. The Geovid Pro’s were the first Leica’s that I could actually say have observably better glass- usually observed as better color rendition by most.
The Swaro EL Range’s have excellent glass, but I don’t prefer glassing with them over the Geovid R’s- many others I have been around prefer them as well- there is just something comfortable about glassing with them.

My personal view is that of those above, the ones really worth looking at are-

1). Swarovski EL ranges. Excellent glass, ballistics are returned quickly; the laser is weak often beyond 900’ish yards and in fog/rain/snow.

2) Leica Geovid and R and Pro’s.
The Geovid R’s: are the “easiest” or “most comfortable” to glass with- very good laser to 1600 yards +/-, good in all weather.

Pro’s: Excellent glass- I prefer them to Swaro, very good RF to +/- 1600 yards. Relatively slow return on ballistics.


3) Vortex 5000HD and AB: Good to really good laser in most/all weather. Glass is usable, not great- as stated about like decent $300 binos. Return of ballistics is glacially slow (relatively). Their main draw is lifetime warranty on electronics and reliability of laser.

4). Sig 10k and some Gen 2. A bit on the 6k.

Wouldn’t use a Gen 1. Gen 2 is about like Vortex 5000HD’s. Laser is good. Reliability is better than most Sigs. Their main draw is the ability for ballistic profiles, and ranging. They are slow to return ballistics as well.

5). Revic BLR10b. Best laser in all weather conditions, best ballistics data speed, easy wind vector changes, simple, reliable. Glass is usably good- about in the middle between Vortex 5000hd and the alphas- good resolution, soft on color rendition compared to Leica/Zeiss/Swaro. When the app needs an update, you have to update it before swapping or making a new profile for the binos- can’t do it on a mountain without service.


All of that to say- if the RF and ballistics are critical= Revics. If glass is critical (not many it really is), with decent laser and ballistics= Swaro EL Range or Leica Pro’s. If great all-around performance is desired, but if ballistics are not critical= Geovid R’s. If warranty is the only, or most critical aspect, with usable glass and usable ballistics- the Vortex 5000 AB.
Are ballistics worth it for hunting? I thought there was a shoot 2 hunt podcast on binos but couldn’t find it.

For competitions it seems like ballistics would be handy but shooting “skills” 1-2x a year for practice at an NRL hunter warrants the extra cost it seems like.
 
Are ballistics worth it for hunting? I thought there was a shoot 2 hunt podcast on binos but couldn’t find it.

Sure. But whether it is a large difference between ballistics and not depends on the use, the rifle system, ranges being shot, and scenarios.

If I were not legitimately training regularly, and hence also not being competent enough to shoot animals past 600’ish yards, AND not actually taking 600+ yard shots on game animals regularly- then I would choose a cartridge and bullet that tracks near perfectly to Quick Drop and not worry about the ballistics.


If I were training constantly to be able to take 600+ yard shots on animal, and ACTUALLY were killing animals frequently past 600 yards- especially animals that move a lot (rutting bucks) and/or trying to shoot multiple animals out of a herd (cow elk), and/or being the spotter for multiple other shooters frequently shooting at longer ranges…. Then I would choose Revics.
 
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