rbutcher1234
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As an update, my two scopes were delivered to Blaser yesterday afternoon. Haven’t heard anything from them yet, but we are still early in this process.
Q&A for Minox ZP5 5-25x56mm THLR scope
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I'm looking forward to the MIL release of the Revic scopes.
G&W
FNG
Just another data point...
I purchased a 3-15 MR2 and a 5-25 THRL from Connor at Eurooptic. Both arrived in red boxes this past Wednesday, my other two 5-25 MR4’s from years ago were in white boxes. Both scopes arrived set to the middle of the mag range so I just dialed down through the harder resistance portion that starts at 13.6 mils and all was good.
The 3-15 is perfect and the MR2 reticle is great throughout the entire mag range. It’s a good fit for my HNT26 which I built as a crossover rifle. Previously I had a T6Xi with the MSR2 mounted. Loved the overall design of that one but the reticle was nearly invisible at minimum magnification. I added a mini green dot but that made the platform more bulky than I was comfortable with.
Unfortunately the 5-25 THLR will not focus at any distance unless the diopter is run all the way out (and the reticle is a blur) so I sent an email to Connor. It’s a shame because as good as the turrets are on my other three ZP5’s, the THLR turrets are the best. Super tight with the least amount of slop and the perfect amount of resistance. Very smooth mag and parallax controls. Super stiff windage turret which is reassuring as don’t want accidental movements there.
I am hoping I receive this same scope back with the proper repairs performed. The reticle itself is awesome and is the only reason I wanted another ZP5 5-25. I have looked through ZComps, Marches, NF’s, etc and owned a S&B 6-36 briefly but have yet to use a scope that matches the overall performance of my current older ZP5’s. They are absolutely fantastic.
I purchased a 3-15 MR2 and a 5-25 THRL from Connor at Eurooptic. Both arrived in red boxes this past Wednesday, my other two 5-25 MR4’s from years ago were in white boxes. Both scopes arrived set to the middle of the mag range so I just dialed down through the harder resistance portion that starts at 13.6 mils and all was good.
The 3-15 is perfect and the MR2 reticle is great throughout the entire mag range. It’s a good fit for my HNT26 which I built as a crossover rifle. Previously I had a T6Xi with the MSR2 mounted. Loved the overall design of that one but the reticle was nearly invisible at minimum magnification. I added a mini green dot but that made the platform more bulky than I was comfortable with.
Unfortunately the 5-25 THLR will not focus at any distance unless the diopter is run all the way out (and the reticle is a blur) so I sent an email to Connor. It’s a shame because as good as the turrets are on my other three ZP5’s, the THLR turrets are the best. Super tight with the least amount of slop and the perfect amount of resistance. Very smooth mag and parallax controls. Super stiff windage turret which is reassuring as don’t want accidental movements there.
I am hoping I receive this same scope back with the proper repairs performed. The reticle itself is awesome and is the only reason I wanted another ZP5 5-25. I have looked through ZComps, Marches, NF’s, etc and owned a S&B 6-36 briefly but have yet to use a scope that matches the overall performance of my current older ZP5’s. They are absolutely fantastic.
rbutcher1234
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Sounds like you’re another one of us getting in the repair queue with Blaser.
G&W
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Yes. I had to return one of my white box ZP5’s to Germany several years ago for a misaligned reticle and it took just over three months to get back.
ID_Matt
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I went with the MR4 reticle and today was the second time i have shot it. I tried to find some fault in it but it seems i got an ok one. Super crisp reticle all the way turned it. Pretty forgiving parallax. Didn’t feel like i needed to adjust from 400-600 yards. Noticeably more crisp image than my tenmile that i was also shooting.
5MilesBack
"DADDY"
I'm a little jealous, but I can wait three months or so if it comes back fully fixed.
If it's trued that these are discontinued, three months would feel like a short wait for those who missed out and have to wait until one finally comes up in the classifieds ... I'd be highly surprised if Blaser/Minox can't get you all sorted, and doubt that many people will want to part with this scope.
I'll let @G&W answer your question, but in case you (or anyone who finds this thread in the future), the S2H scope that will be lighter than the Minox 3-5 and will have the simplified THLR reticle: https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/would-you-buy-this-scope.373983/
I have the same 3-15 with MR2 and it's as close to perfect for hunting as I've seen. It made my 6-24 tenmile look so bad I was trying to clean the lenses on the triji just to get close in performance @ 5,7 and 900. The minox weighs 2oz more than my nx8 4-32 that's rigged up as a spare.
The turrets are excellent and with a 20moa base I have 28.6 mils of travel in the turret.....that's 2k yds. The MR2 is easy to see at any mag too.
G&W
FNG
Loving the 3-15 so far. 40% wider FOV than my 5-25’s, smaller form factor, identical controls, and most importantly, the reticle is designed to be seen at 3x with wide outer stadia bars that end 5 mils from the center 1 mil wide cross. Reminiscent of my old P4F was was a great hunting reticle that unfortunately was really a 7-25x optic.
Around 10x I can start to make out the unobtrusive 0.2 mils hashes that begin a half mil or so from center, so it provides precision wind holds when needed but nothing I don’t.
Drop safe? Lol not sure but my barrel is torqued to 75 inch pounds, my Area 419 mount is wet-set and torqued 45 inch pounds to the pic rail and 18 inch pounds to the optic, everything is witness marked, and my chassis is covered in grip tape, so I am doing all I can to stack the odds in my favor.
Thanks for the responses. I recently started using the 5-25 with MR4 (could not get THLR) and blown away by quality and now looking to replace several other scopes. Considering the S2H scope if lucky enough to get one eventually and the Revic Acuras when available in Mils. For now the 3-15 is available and possible higher IQ than others albeit older technology coating than newer offerings. So putting the 3-15 and 5-25 side by side is the Image quality, low light usage, eye box on par? I dont want to assume that they are on par since the are the same family?
Mik123
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I have both. The eye box is generous for both, image quality is the same. If you're looking for a low light reticle in the 3-15 I'd give the edge to the MR2. The 4 thick posts make the reticle a touch more at 3X magnification at low light and against a dark backround (bushes, trees etc).
Mik123
FNG
For anyone interested in confirming when their scope was made and if warranty work was done on it you can email [email protected].
Shot my first 1 day NRL with the minox yesterday.
Optics and reticle were great. I was able to watch trace my own on many shots at the practice range.
But I had some inconsistencies that I couldnt pin point.
Gun. Tikka ctr in KRG xray. 140 gr berger hybrids. H4350. Generally boringly consistent with my athlon scope.
During the week, went to an indoor range, and got a pretty solid zero at ~55-60 degrees temp, allegedly 100 yards, i did not confirm. Then did a 7 mil tracking test at 100, followed by a return to zero. Dialed 7 mils up and hit 24.5" above aim, should be 25.2" (and thats measuring the outside of the upper most bullet hole of the 2 shots, so it may be closer to 24.2" to the center of the cone of fire). Kept that info in my back pocket. Returned to zero and hit the edge of my aiming mark.
At the warmup range I was consistently 0.3-0.4 mils low at distance. I shouldve sent more rounds to confirm zero, but did not. it was also 20 degrees out. That load should be about 2750-2760 fps. But I chrono'd it at 2730.
I went ahead and adjusted the SSF in the kestrel to the scope tracking error, and lowered the velocity. And the math aligned with what I was seeing.
After a few stages I really noticed that I was missing just over the targets. Adjusted the velocity back up to 2750 in the kestrel. Yet continued to miss just high. Did not adjust the ssf back to normal.
For the record, shot a 58 out of 80, winner shot a 76, 70 medaled. All other aspects of my performance were good (only timed out once, and only didnt find 1 target), except the data/scope question mark and hitting high frequently on the 450-600 yard targets. Remove the vertical misses and im in the medals i think.
So anyways...ive got a big question mark on my system right now. There are some things I should've done better, like bring a rangefinder to the indoor range, and confirm zero more throughly at the match (maybe a zero shift in the system due to cold?). I could've just had some calculation errors, the electronics didnt necessarily like the cold either. My ranging felt pretty solid and most targets had a berm just in front of them. Or maybe the load really had that much of a change from 20 degrees to 50.
But the scope is a variable i need to understand better.
Could use some insights on how you guys would go about testing it.
Im thinking I do a tracking test at the indoor range again. Maybe shoot zero, Dial and shoot 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,rtz, and repeat (or something to that effect).... And build a full plot of the tracking.
Optics and reticle were great. I was able to watch trace my own on many shots at the practice range.
But I had some inconsistencies that I couldnt pin point.
Gun. Tikka ctr in KRG xray. 140 gr berger hybrids. H4350. Generally boringly consistent with my athlon scope.
During the week, went to an indoor range, and got a pretty solid zero at ~55-60 degrees temp, allegedly 100 yards, i did not confirm. Then did a 7 mil tracking test at 100, followed by a return to zero. Dialed 7 mils up and hit 24.5" above aim, should be 25.2" (and thats measuring the outside of the upper most bullet hole of the 2 shots, so it may be closer to 24.2" to the center of the cone of fire). Kept that info in my back pocket. Returned to zero and hit the edge of my aiming mark.
At the warmup range I was consistently 0.3-0.4 mils low at distance. I shouldve sent more rounds to confirm zero, but did not. it was also 20 degrees out. That load should be about 2750-2760 fps. But I chrono'd it at 2730.
I went ahead and adjusted the SSF in the kestrel to the scope tracking error, and lowered the velocity. And the math aligned with what I was seeing.
After a few stages I really noticed that I was missing just over the targets. Adjusted the velocity back up to 2750 in the kestrel. Yet continued to miss just high. Did not adjust the ssf back to normal.
For the record, shot a 58 out of 80, winner shot a 76, 70 medaled. All other aspects of my performance were good (only timed out once, and only didnt find 1 target), except the data/scope question mark and hitting high frequently on the 450-600 yard targets. Remove the vertical misses and im in the medals i think.
So anyways...ive got a big question mark on my system right now. There are some things I should've done better, like bring a rangefinder to the indoor range, and confirm zero more throughly at the match (maybe a zero shift in the system due to cold?). I could've just had some calculation errors, the electronics didnt necessarily like the cold either. My ranging felt pretty solid and most targets had a berm just in front of them. Or maybe the load really had that much of a change from 20 degrees to 50.
But the scope is a variable i need to understand better.
Could use some insights on how you guys would go about testing it.
Im thinking I do a tracking test at the indoor range again. Maybe shoot zero, Dial and shoot 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,rtz, and repeat (or something to that effect).... And build a full plot of the tracking.
Dont mind the vertical offset. The target was on the indoor ranges track system. It ended up crooked at 100. The reticle showed vertical was ok and the scope is aligned properly. (Also have a sg pulse pro the outputs to the 0.1 degree, so i was level)
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Just looked at both of my new ZP5’s. Red boxes, and they appear to focus/function fine.
What are the odds?
I wonder if a couple of people are going to go back and check their diopter settings ...
And for those who want to do this, here are a few relevant pages on the Hide. I now can't remember which one used to be their main pinned resource - may or may not have been one of these links:
PSA - Setting your diopter for long range FFP scopes
Many people think that setting up the diopter only focuses the reticle so they use the standardized blue sky or blank way method; however, there is much more to setting up the diopter than "meets the eye" and it would do everyone benefit to learn...
www.snipershide.com
Rifle Scopes - Setting up a FFP rifle scope - A simple PSA on Diopters
bohemr13 X96 MONTHS Premium Member First Sergeant Rating: 3.6/5 this site 7824 posts this site Setting up a FFP rifle scope - A simple PSA on Diopters 03/02/2015 Last edited 03/03/2015 by bohemr13 (9 votes) I recently had a somewhat disgruntled customer return a scope because he complained of...
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Rifle Scopes - Diopter adjustment help
I’ve read all the pinned post etc and while very helpful I’m having some issues still or at least I think so? Last time I got my eyes check (10 years ago) I had 20/15 vision so I’m hoping it isn’t my eyes. When adjusting the diopter on pretty much any scope I find that I have an extremely...
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G&W
FNG
I am not sure, I just received both recently and the 5-25 THLR was a dud, so when I sighted in the 3-15 yesterday I was just glad it worked haha.
But in all honesty the image at 380 yards to the backyard gongs with the 3-15 was exceptional. No CA, very forgiving eyebox, extremely high resolution, etc. I have not yet run a tall target tracking test and I haven’t compared it side-by-side to my other 5-25’s, but I will say that it was a pleasure to use. Time will tell if it holds zero and if it dials repeatedly. But going by the history of my other two ZP5’s I have no reason to believe it won’t.
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