Q&A for Minox ZP5 5-25x56mm THLR scope

[atmat]

Paying the return shipping is insult to injury.

 

[solarshooter]

If I didn’t know anything about you, this post would tell me that you know how to kill well.

Definitely need @THLR as a guest on the podcast!

 

[EuroOptic]

I was told to get it to Texas on my own and that was it.

Let me know what the cost of shipping is.
Goes for everybody affected.
Shoot it to me in a PM w/ order number from us so I can keep track

 

[rbutcher1234]

As I was packing up my two scopes to ship to Blaser tomorrow, I went ahead and checked. Neither of mine have the sticker on the bottom of the turret housing, nor is the ring flush like the white box ZP5 posted earlier.

 

[Dobermann]

@EuroOptic , another item that might be an indicator, is the date the QC cards are marked - mine are marked for 2020 and 2022. It would be surprising for a scope to sit in inventory for 6 years.

I wouldn't necessarily assume that - I don't know how many THLR ZP5s they sold, but unless they're popular in Europe, I'd be surprised if it was very many.

The ZP5 rose to prominence on the Hide, and then fell, pretty quickly. One of their main retailers posted cryptic messages that suggested failures, and Big Jim showed that he didn't like and/or understand the THLR version of the reticle.

Not that it's a huge market, but I'm only aware of four THLR ZP5s being brought into New Zealand - and I own two of them.

Overall, it's a very specialised scope and reticle. Too big for many people for hunting (Thomas included!), and the reticle looks like it takes work to understand (which it kinda does, but people don't need to go 'all in' and can still just use it as a plan mil-based reticle). So all up - my guess is that they didn't sell very many ... and I was wishing that there would be even more sitting in inventory because of this.

 

[rbutcher1234]

package dropped to UPS morning 1/27. Because of my proximity, it should be at Blaser tomorrow. Using this as a yardstick for how this whole process will go for everyone.

 

[Conrad101st]

I wear progressive bifocals and I can confirm that they can make getting the diopter adjustment challenging. I ended up having a couple of pairs of single Rx glasses made for shooting/hunting.

So I had some issues with progressives both shooting and playing tennis.

I got a pair of ray-ban new wayfarers and had them made with a standard yellow tint and had standard bifocals put in as absolutely low as possible which is 14mm from the bottom.

They are so low you hardly see the line. But it’s great bc you can focus with a single plane vision on your reticle (or a tennis ball). You have to look down to see the near vision portion which is just dandy to read your iPhone or range card. Also these things are stout. I played 8 years of tennis with mine before getting this pair

 

[propulsionclimbing]

I just sent my ZP5 back to Blaser. We will see how it goes. I'm hoping Minox fixes the scope so that it performs just like the other ZP5s I have.

Before boxing it up, I played around with the parallax knob, and it has noticeably stiffened up and even felt like it was grinding. My bet is that there is something very wrong with the parallax adjustment.

 

[rbutcher1234]

FWIW, these are the boxes I checked on the form to represent the parallax issues, image focusing issues as magnification changes, and protruding bottom seal on the turret housing on both my scopes:

 

[ekupp]

Sure.
One seperate MIL/LE and one seperate hunting in a lighter scope. Both with bias/help for the shooter to land on correct decisions.

The Revic RH1 is very close to what I wanted for hunting.

But they wanted to respond to an immediate market demand and the rest is history.

Can you elaborate on the close "but". Is it because they went MOA? Weight? Left features off the reticle?

MIL version is pending and maybe an option for those wanting a Minox THLR but cant find one? Revic is similar weight to Minox but 50mm vs 56mm. Is glass quality near comparable or superior with latest coatings?

 

[Wrench]

From the email I got, it says I am on the hook to ship both to San Antonio. I have replied back to confirm (a bit ridiculous since we already paid shipping to receive broken scopes, now we get to pay shipping again to get broken scopes fixed).

Either way, certainly better than being on the hook for shipping to San Antonio AND Germany, but every broken Nightforce I’ve RMA’d got a return label from Nightforce (4 at this point).

Edit: I live in Houston, so shipping both of my ZP5s is potentially less painful than other people in this thread. Still annoying.

I have paid for my nightforce returns out of my own pocket.....it's part of my love loss for them.

 

[Wrench]

So I had some issues with progressives both shooting and playing tennis.

I got a pair of ray-ban new wayfarers and had them made with a standard yellow tint and had standard bifocals put in as absolutely low as possible which is 14mm from the bottom.

They are so low you hardly see the line. But it’s great bc you can focus with a single plane vision on your reticle (or a tennis ball). You have to look down to see the near vision portion which is just dandy to read your iPhone or range card. Also these things are stout. I played 8 years of tennis with mine before getting this pair View attachment 1012002

I did the same thing. I love them for hunting and shooting.

 

[Nine Banger]

Hopefully they jump on these repairs

The cynical side of me says we're going to get a call or email in July the jist of which will be "so what's going on with this scope you sent us?"

 

[Nine Banger]

I did the same thing. I love them for hunting and shooting.

I'm watching my groups shift .1 left in progressives and back .1 right in my clay shooting glasses.

Could be body position...

 

[THLR]

Can you elaborate on the close "but".

The "but" is for Minox, a 2-in-1 reticle instead of two seperate product lines. Not my decision to make.

Revic is a clean hunting reticle, it's very nice. I'm a 100% mrad guy, the only difficulty I have with an MOA scope is putting a MOA value on my windcall. Other than than that, MOA//MRAD involves the same decisions for the shooter and both will work equally well. I cannot compare with my Minox, but I've never found the scopes lacking in image quality the 4-5 days I've used them.

In the film below I use the Revic with a MOA reticle; I just trusted the windcall from @Aaron Davidson and the bullet struck the pronghorn less than 2" from my intended point of impact. It would have been slower had I been alone as my MIL windcall would have to be converted to MOA and the only reason for "slower" is me being metric.

 

[Wrench]

The "but" is for Minox, a 2-in-1 reticle instead of two seperate product lines. Not my decision to make.

Revic is a clean hunting reticle, it's very nice. I'm a 100% mrad guy, the only difficulty I have with an MOA scope is putting a MOA value on my windcall. Other than than that, MOA//MRAD involves the same decisions for the shooter and both will work equally well. I cannot compare with my Minox, but I've never found the scopes lacking in image quality the 4-5 days I've used them.

In the film below I use the Revic with a MOA reticle; I just trusted the windcall from @Aaron Davidson and the bullet struck the pronghorn less than 2" from my intended point of impact. It would have been slower had I been alone as my MIL windcall would have to be converted to MOA and the only reason for "slower" is me being metric.

Your viewer comments are AWESOME.

 

[ekupp]

The "but" is for Minox, a 2-in-1 reticle instead of two seperate product lines. Not my decision to make.

Revic is a clean hunting reticle, it's very nice. I'm a 100% mrad guy, the only difficulty I have with an MOA scope is putting a MOA value on my windcall. Other than than that, MOA//MRAD involves the same decisions for the shooter and both will work equally well. I cannot compare with my Minox, but I've never found the scopes lacking in image quality the 4-5 days I've used them.

In the film below I use the Revic with a MOA reticle; I just trusted the windcall from @Aaron Davidson and the bullet struck the pronghorn less than 2" from my intended point of impact. It would have been slower had I been alone as my MIL windcall would have to be converted to MOA and the only reason for "slower" is me being metric.

Thx for the clarification, great video, definitely a fan of your content.

 

[THLR]

Your viewer comments are AWESOME.

Yes, the people taking the time are plain nice and sometimes quite funny. It's roughly 2500 ok guys for every 1 hater that drops a comment.

 

[Dobermann]

Yes, the people taking the time are plain nice and sometimes quite funny. It's roughly 2500 ok guys for every 1 hater that drops a comment.

Thomas - to me it points to just how much so many of us have learned from you over so many years.

I have a vague memory that in your interview with Kerry, you might have expressed some small doubt about what impact your work had ... please know that many of us are better shooters because of the thousands of hours you've put into this - your work is not for nothing, and we appreciate it immensely.

 

[BAKPAKR]

The "but" is for Minox, a 2-in-1 reticle instead of two seperate product lines. Not my decision to make.

Revic is a clean hunting reticle, it's very nice. I'm a 100% mrad guy, the only difficulty I have with an MOA scope is putting a MOA value on my windcall. Other than than that, MOA//MRAD involves the same decisions for the shooter and both will work equally well. I cannot compare with my Minox, but I've never found the scopes lacking in image quality the 4-5 days I've used them.

In the film below I use the Revic with a MOA reticle; I just trusted the windcall from @Aaron Davidson and the bullet struck the pronghorn less than 2" from my intended point of impact. It would have been slower had I been alone as my MIL windcall would have to be converted to MOA and the only reason for "slower" is me being metric.

You talk funny.