Prototyping “Pack Pillow” for prone shooting

hereinaz

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A customer reached out for a custom bag to run on their pack for shooting. My partner is working off it for a prototype to release soon.

It weighs about 3 ounces and is about the size of our 2-5 Ultralight, but twice as fat. It will come in the different fill densities, loose, standard and stuffed.

It comes with straps for the pack, designed for shooting prone off the pack. We are also going to release the SSS Pillow with “pack loops”

Any design thoughts?

@atmat
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I got a Triple S from a member on the classifieds and it has become my new favorite rear bag. When combined with a Mini Ultralight, you have a lot of adjustment for almost any angle.

Jay
 
Once upon a time I sewed some different ideas for a pack bag like that to shoot off of, but I kept being drawn to make it a storage bag for fleece and whatnot and when crammed with clothing turned into something like an over stuffed pillow looking thing. Eventually it morphed into a compression stuff sack of sorts, then morphed into simply two vertical straps about 8” apart to lash down rolled up jackets sort of bedroll style. It will be fun to see what you come up with - every backpack hunter thinks about this a lot.

Edit: Picked up one of these Carhartt kids backpacks to keep on a pack at the range to give it some extra thickness. It’s just a basic cordura bag like a storage pocket, but it looks nice and is easy to strap onto a larger pack.

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Looks like a good setup for some quick prone shooting - I need to do something like this with my pack
 
Looks good.

I was wondering when you were going to put something out that is more like the mollinator. Huge market gap right now on that being absent. Even the old version of the mollinator is not ideal without the new vertical straps they put on it right before it disappeared.

May we send an SSS pillow back for the loops for a fee?
 
I got a Triple S from a member on the classifieds and it has become my new favorite rear bag. When combined with a Mini Ultralight, you have a lot of adjustment for almost any angle.

Jay
Agreed, I use it a ton. The changes @hereinaz is making to it have me purchasing another.

The reason I asked for a photo of this side-by-side with the Triple S is because I can’t imagine it doing a better job.

The nice thing about the triple S is its versatility.
 
Looks good.

I was wondering when you were going to put something out that is more like the mollinator. Huge market gap right now on that being absent. Even the old version of the mollinator is not ideal without the new vertical straps they put on it right before it disappeared.

May we send an SSS pillow back for the loops for a fee?
We discussed this exact topic back in March. Getting something a little more “multi purpose” out of a pack “rest bag”.

If Stephen is too busy to add loops hit me up.
 
A customer reached out for a custom bag to run on their pack for shooting. My partner is working off it for a prototype to release soon.

It weighs about 3 ounces and is about the size of our 2-5 Ultralight, but twice as fat. It will come in the different fill densities, loose, standard and stuffed.

It comes with straps for the pack, designed for shooting prone off the pack. We are also going to release the SSS Pillow with “pack loops”

Any design thoughts?

@atmat
@mxgsfmdpx
@NSI
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I may be in the minority, but it would be awesome to have the EXO female buckles attached so you could just buckle right to the side straps and use it to cinch stuff down, or I will go even further to say the bottom should be molle compatible so it can be attached to the crib panel as well.
 
I may be in the minority, but it would be awesome to have the EXO female buckles attached so you could just buckle right to the side straps and use it to cinch stuff down, or I will go even further to say the bottom should be molle compatible so it can be attached to the crib panel as well.
I want my front rest on my pack to be moveable quickly and easily. I use the molinator loosely strapped to the pack so I can use it with pack sideways or long ways depending on the shot and terrain.

The front rest needs to be low enough fill that it creates a natural “U” shape not an overly aggressive V that can grab the foreend. We want the rifle freely recoiling back into the shooter.

The idea behind this “bag” is that it is multi purpose. The molinator works great but is a single use piece for me (front rest on pack).

The idea behind this product is, low fill front rest off pack for main use, but it’s also a sit pad, pillow for naps, general “squishy” rest for any number of uses including knee pad for kneeling shots, stuff between elbow and knee for seated shots, the list sort of goes on from there.

For me it also needs to be low fill enough to stuff in the Teratorn pack shock cord when needed to tuck it quickly and move shooting position, etc.

I like the idea of having clips as long as they don’t affect function, which for me, having a couple hard plastic bits on the thing makes it more annoying. I think sewing in mount points for buckles, for guys who will use it that way is a good idea.

What we want to avoid is an over-featured balloon thing hanging off a pack. There will likely be a few iterations before production units are rolling.

The design points I want to see already are…

Less square, think of a nicely trimmed brisket shape that is “rectangle” in general but with rounded edges. It likely needs less fill than most think as well. And I don’t have one yet, this is just based on a couple photos and using the old Triple S pillow.
 
I like the idea of having clips as long as they don’t affect function, which for me, having a couple hard plastic bits on the thing makes it more annoying. I think sewing in mount points for buckles, for guys who will use it that way is a good idea.

What we want to avoid is an over-featured balloon thing hanging off a pack. There will likely be a few iterations before production units are rolling.

I second this.

I have clips sewn into an FHF harness and often think about pulling out the scissors and hacking them off and don't.

Maybe I should do that now...
 
I want my front rest on my pack to be moveable quickly and easily. I use the molinator loosely strapped to the pack so I can use it with pack sideways or long ways depending on the shot and terrain.

The front rest needs to be low enough fill that it creates a natural “U” shape not an overly aggressive V that can grab the foreend. We want the rifle freely recoiling back into the shooter.

The idea behind this “bag” is that it is multi purpose. The molinator works great but is a single use piece for me (front rest on pack).

The idea behind this product is, low fill front rest off pack for main use, but it’s also a sit pad, pillow for naps, general “squishy” rest for any number of uses including knee pad for kneeling shots, stuff between elbow and knee for seated shots, the list sort of goes on from there.

For me it also needs to be low fill enough to stuff in the Teratorn pack shock cord when needed to tuck it quickly and move shooting position, etc.

I like the idea of having clips as long as they don’t affect function, which for me, having a couple hard plastic bits on the thing makes it more annoying. I think sewing in mount points for buckles, for guys who will use it that way is a good idea.

What we want to avoid is an over-featured balloon thing hanging off a pack. There will likely be a few iterations before production units are rolling.

The design points I want to see already are…

Less square, think of a nicely trimmed brisket shape that is “rectangle” in general but with rounded edges. It likely needs less fill than most think as well. And I don’t have one yet, this is just based on a couple photos and using the old Triple S pillow.
Very understandable maybe the sewn in loops that can accommodate the open style clips would be more realistic.
 
I'll be in AK a week from tomorrow if you need an in-field tester.
Shoot me a message, I might be able to get you one.

I second this.

I have clips sewn into an FHF harness and often think about pulling out the scissors and hacking them off and don't.

Maybe I should do that now...
I have tried to be all cute with buckles and such, but for the most part I have leaned towards KISS. That is how I created the Ultralight suppressor cover…

In my DIY experience, I have always cut off more buckles than I add to gear.

But, every once in a while, I do add buckles to get a perfect solution. At first blush I sorta like the idea of maybe adding buckles so it integrated with the EXO.

I may be in the minority, but it would be awesome to have the EXO female buckles attached so you could just buckle right to the side straps and use it to cinch stuff down, or I will go even further to say the bottom should be molle compatible so it can be attached to the crib panel as well.
PM what you are thinking if you would like. I always like to send off one offs, they spawn all sorts of ideas.
 
Very understandable maybe the sewn in loops that can accommodate the open style clips would be more realistic.
I agree. My requirements are also unique to me and how I shoot and hunt. @hereinaz will likely do a good job of managing other user feedback and requirements to deliver a product that meets a more large overall use case.
 
I want my front rest on my pack to be moveable quickly and easily. I use the molinator loosely strapped to the pack so I can use it with pack sideways or long ways depending on the shot and terrain.

The front rest needs to be low enough fill that it creates a natural “U” shape not an overly aggressive V that can grab the foreend. We want the rifle freely recoiling back into the shooter.

The idea behind this “bag” is that it is multi purpose. The molinator works great but is a single use piece for me (front rest on pack).

The idea behind this product is, low fill front rest off pack for main use, but it’s also a sit pad, pillow for naps, general “squishy” rest for any number of uses including knee pad for kneeling shots, stuff between elbow and knee for seated shots, the list sort of goes on from there.

For me it also needs to be low fill enough to stuff in the Teratorn pack shock cord when needed to tuck it quickly and move shooting position, etc.

I like the idea of having clips as long as they don’t affect function, which for me, having a couple hard plastic bits on the thing makes it more annoying. I think sewing in mount points for buckles, for guys who will use it that way is a good idea.

What we want to avoid is an over-featured balloon thing hanging off a pack. There will likely be a few iterations before production units are rolling.

The design points I want to see already are…

Less square, think of a nicely trimmed brisket shape that is “rectangle” in general but with rounded edges. It likely needs less fill than most think as well. And I don’t have one yet, this is just based on a couple photos and using the old Triple S pillow.
We will get you one soon, and do some shooting.

And, I agree with the analysis above. A loosely filled bag that is set for shooting but quickly adaptable.

Having used my SSS for years, it has gotten so much varied applications. Just using it as a quick detach kneeling pad has saved me from rocks, stickers, and needles. I never would have carried something for that, but always use my SSS now. The pack pillow can do it.

I have never lost my SSS using a plastic carabiner.
 
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