Yea, I'm not seeing any spinal fluid while cutting out backstraps...
I would start eating it immediately, but since you mention wet aging... I've had good results wet aging deer and elk up to 30days(vac sealed in the fridge). I've done it to tenderize it, but also because we had limited freezer room in our camper for a couple of weeks we were on the road.
It can't just leak out into muscle tissues, it's contained unless there's damage from bullets or knives and such.
I wouldn't say it's an increased risk. I would say it's a guarantee based on how prions are actually destroyed.
So spinal fluid is contained 100% inside the spinal column? Its not in sacs, veins or tendon like structures running along the entire spinal area? its not present in between vertebrae in pockets? Genuine question.
If you're getting spinal fluid cutting out back straps something went seriously wrong
I'm not a surgeon but as a layman I believe it's contained, no reason for it to be in sacks or veins or anything outside of the spine. I would think you'd have to cut between the vertebrae to release the fluids, or obviously bullet or bone shrapnel can damage it and cause a leak. The lymph node system can obviously accumulate the prions though as that's actually what they collect to test I think so there's obviously other tissues that can contain the prions and not just spinal fluid.
Maybe its the lymph system that I am thinking of. I just thought I distinctly remember it being said that there is a chance of contaminating meat with prions while removing backstraps. Again, I could be wrong about all of it and just mis remembering.
The lymph system goes all over the body, so theoretically any tissue there is a risk of contamination.
Why are you so sure that bleach doesn't deactivate prions? The Univerity of Wyoming as well as Biologists at WY GF told me that 40% solution of house hold bleach deactivated prions. But I've heard a bunch of people say it doesn't
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Why are you so sure that bleach doesn't deactivate prions? The Univerity of Wyoming as well as Biologists at WY GF told me that 40% solution of house hold bleach deactivated prions. But I've heard a bunch of people say it doesn't?
The rest of what you have said really makes sense. Im starting to debate just pretending like CWD doesn't exist and throwing my whole protocol out the window. I probably won't, but I really should.
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You bring up a good point. I should build a hermetically sealed bubble to hunt in.
You bring up a good point. I should build a hermetically sealed bubble to hunt in.
I'm just going to have trouble pulling the trigger (literally)
There are obviously CWD positive and negative cases, so not every dang thing is covered in prions to the extent that all deer are infected. I appreciate your boots on the ground perspective though. I think it's reasonable to avoid CWD positive meat or disregard the risk entirely, depending on one's risk tolerance. I say that because of scientific input I've read on the subject, which might have it's own bias or issues...
"At least with current CWD strains, there is a high species barrier, but it certainly doesn't mean that it [spillover] isn't possible or that the threshold of the species barrier might not change in the future when CWD strains evolve." -Director of the National Prion Disease Pathology Surveillance Center at Case Western Reserve University
There is no doubt that prion diseases can and do evolve. We just can't say when or if that will ever happen to the extent that they pass to human beings. I guess that's why it's such an annoying forum topic haha!
Really appreciate your contributions to hunting at large, Form! I've learned a lot between the scope, suppressor, and bullet subject matter. I would actually consider bleaching my knife and tossing my game bags if an animal was positive (anything that would likely come into contact with meat down the line).
The only thing I cant get a clear answer on in regards to surfaces being contaminated with prions, is to what extent? If they can't be cleaned off, killed, deactivated, ect, for how long are they transferring from one surface to another? If I butcher a positive animal on a countertop, it can't leave an unlimited amount of prions behind. Is it leaving any prions at all? I thought they werent really present in meat. At some point they woukd all be gone, and if they cant be removed with cleaning, then how are they transferring at all?
Why are you so sure that bleach doesn't deactivate prions? The Univerity of Wyoming as well as Biologists at WY GF told me that 40% solution of house hold bleach deactivated prions. But I've heard a bunch of people say it doesn't
The rest of what you have said really makes sense. Im starting to debate just pretending like CWD doesn't exist and throwing my whole protocol out the window. I probably won't, but I really should.
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