Project 2025 and public lands and environment

[Jimbee]

Robert Siegwarth

My dear friend Brian and his family are some of the best people I know. He has done more for community building, natural resource awareness, building excitement for the outdoors, and creatively...

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[Poser]

Robert Siegwarth

My dear friend Brian and his family are some of the best people I know. He has done more for community building, natural resource awareness, building excitement for the outdoors, and creatively...

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[ScreamingPotato]

I disagree. None of us want to see our tax dollars being wasted. We are just wanting to see it went about a different way. Where’s the efficiency in mass layoffs only to then have to rehire people and go through that entire process, interviews, applications, and everything because you’re federal and can’t do a non competitive hire. Spending the time and effort into figuring out where it was happening seems like a much more efficient and effective way to go about it. But I think they did it because they had a fancy thing on Doge.gov saying the savings would be available by Valentine’s Day at the latest and now it says “receipts coming over the weekend.” They want to have a big figure to show even if it doesn’t end up being that figure because people need to be rehired.

You're Assuming that they'll need to be rehired, the vast majority won't and we'll keep trucking along fine.

These meme likely applies to most federal staff cuts. I guess we'll never know how efficient the woodchucks are.

What I disagree with is continuing to pay trillions in tax dollars just because we're afraid one in a million jobs was actually needed. Cut them in large phases and stop the bleeding, reassess as needed.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Bunch of Wyoming public land officials fired by the Trump administration:

Valentine’s Day massacre: Uncounted throng of Wyomingites fired by Trump administration - WyoFile

The government has yet to disclose how many lost their jobs, despite repeated inquiries. Many of those affected, however, shared their stories, and their fears for the agencies they once served.

wyofile.com

Robert Siegwarth

My dear friend Brian and his family are some of the best people I know. He has done more for community building, natural resource awareness, building excitement for the outdoors, and creatively...

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The sob stories don't change anything. Most of us in the real world have been caught up in layoffs, I know I have a couple times in private sector and DOGE may very well get me personally as well. Shit happens, it sucks and you move on. Hopefully all these people will apply their skills elsewhere.

 

[Jimbee]

The sob stories don't change anything. Most of us in the real world have been caught up in layoffs, I know I have a couple times in private sector and DOGE may very well get me personally as well. Shit happens, it sucks and you move on. Hopefully all these people will apply their skills elsewhere.

Where is this real world you refer to?

 

[elkhunter505]

FACT SHEET: Trump & Elon’s Layoffs Jeopardize Essential Services Americans Rely On, Threaten Critical Agency Objectives Keeping Americans Safe & Healthy | United States Senate Committee on Appropriations

United States Senate Committee on Appropriations

www.appropriations.senate.gov

Since yall won’t listen to anyone but the government, how about the senate appropriations committee?

Edit: I didn’t realize the meaning behind a minority press release. I figured that was less important news, but in the interest of fairness, this press release is from the minority side of the appropriations committee

 

[elkhunter505]

The sob stories don't change anything. Most of us in the real world have been caught up in layoffs, I know I have a couple times in private sector and DOGE may very well get me personally as well. Shit happens, it sucks and you move on. Hopefully all these people will apply their skills elsewhere.

So you’re saying your job personally is government waste? If you believe that, why are you doing it in the first place? Maybe if you believed that you should have taken a job elsewhere where you actually believed in your job.

You’re perfectly fine and don’t have bad blood towards the people that laid you off in the past? That’s insane. How can you just look people in the eye when you know they’re doing it for their own profits rather than taking care of their employees. There are tons of studies showing a good happy workforce is way more productive and are more likely to complete their duties. Why is everyone so opposed to that? These layoffs are literally to pay for tax cuts on people that do not need tax cuts…. How many of yall are on the track to being billionaires or millionaires? Are you ever going to see that benefit, because seems like it would have trickled down by now.

 

[CJ19]

this is pretty much a summary of this thread at this point.

 

[2buffalo]

Project 2025 and public lands and environment ​

DRAMA QUEEN

Fixed the title for you.

 

[Ozarkansas]

I am curious to read various replies to his 3 questions, however.

Apparently they have no intention of replying and will just continue to pretend we’re all screaming liberals

DOGE may very well get me personally

So your job is a waste of government money? Why do you do it?

 

[elkhunter505]

Apparently they have no intention of replying and will just continue to pretend we’re all screaming liberals

Coming from the people who support storming the Capitol because their candidate lost an election

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Where is this real world you refer to?

It's when your husband takes away your credit card because he can't keep paying the debt you're racking up.

FACT SHEET: Trump & Elon’s Layoffs Jeopardize Essential Services Americans Rely On, Threaten Critical Agency Objectives Keeping Americans Safe & Healthy | United States Senate Committee on Appropriations

United States Senate Committee on Appropriations

www.appropriations.senate.gov

Since yall won’t listen to anyone but the government, how about the senate appropriations committee?

Edit: I didn’t realize the meaning behind a minority press release. I figured that was less important news, but in the interest of fairness, this press release is from the minority side of the appropriations committee

Appreciate the clarification.

So you’re saying your job personally is government waste? If you believe that, why are you doing it in the first place? Maybe if you believed that you should have taken a job elsewhere where you actually believed in your job.

You’re perfectly fine and don’t have bad blood towards the people that laid you off in the past? That’s insane. How can you just look people in the eye when you know they’re doing it for their own profits rather than taking care of their employees. There are tons of studies showing a good happy workforce is way more productive and are more likely to complete their duties. Why is everyone so opposed to that? These layoffs are literally to pay for tax cuts on people that do not need tax cuts…. How many of yall are on the track to being billionaires or millionaires? Are you ever going to see that benefit, because seems like it would have trickled down by now.

When you have 5000 people on a contract that could be comfortably done by 1000 people it just makes sense. Inept management both in private sector and gov tend to just throw more labor at problems and at some point need to clean house and reboot.

Why is it insane that I wouldn't have bad blood for being laid off? From the layoffs in the past, no I don't have any bad blood from them, it's just something that happens and when a person is competent they land on their feet. First one was a huge corporate buy out and they whacked 40% of the company across the board save for the CS folks who were legitimately busy. Guess what, 40% down on staff that company did well I hear and didn't really miss anybody. Second one the company was going out of business so can't really blame them, is what it is and doesn't really apply here. They lasted another year after initial layoffs then closed doors.

A good happy workforce doesn't mean a bloated overstaffed workforce, y'all should stop confusing the two. I would argue that a lightweight and efficient group with good leadership will be much happier that a bloated overstaffed workplace where 1/4 of the employees do all the work while the other 3/4 slack off. That's where an unhappy workforce comes from.

I'll address the root of the issue here, you keep mentioning layoffs to pay for tax cuts for the rich. It's your jealousy that's driving your position and it's misplaced. These cuts directly affect all of us, especially the common man when our country isn't trillions upside down on spending. At some point Daddy has to take the credit card away, we can't just keep spending no matter how much we want to.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

So your job is a waste of government money? Why do you do it?

I'm a consultant who works for various orgs, some of our clients are government and if enough cuts get made then we'll make cuts also. It is what it is. Unlike y'all I may have a personal stake in this and could directly hurt me, but it doesn't make it wrong.

Coming from the people who support storming the Capitol because their candidate lost an election

Ah thanks for showing your true colors, now we know you're not worth talking to.

 

[Coldtrail]

Something prob not thought about by the decision makers, many of these natural resources and public land positions are based in pretty small towns across rural america, places where nobody really relocates unless you have family there. The fed jobs are the "industry" and eliminating positions is very similar to layoffs and shut downs in the private sector and will be felt in the pocketbooks of the businesses etc so more than the employee and their family will feel the effects of these decisions in some places

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Something prob not thought about by the decision makers, many of these natural resources and public land positions are based in pretty small towns across rural america, places where nobody really relocates unless you have family there. The fed jobs are the "industry" and eliminating positions is very similar to layoffs and shut downs in the private sector and will be felt in the pocketbooks of the businesses etc so more than the employee and their family will feel the effects of these decisions in some places

This is unfortunate I agree, however we can't just keep paying for jobs for the sake of keeping people employed. There has to be a need for that job in the first place.

 

[elkhunter505]

I'm a consultant who works for various orgs, some of our clients are government and if enough cuts get made then we'll make cuts also. It is what it is. Unlike y'all I may have a personal stake in this and could directly hurt me, but it doesn't make it wrong.

Ah thanks for showing your true colors, now we know you're not worth talking to.

Oh I have a personal stake in it. My friends and colleagues are getting laid off. Project funding for conservation projects being ripped out of their hands. Funding to manage the wildlife that we all love to hunt. My boss is a fed and while my funding is not federal, it’s still impacting me in various ways. So yeah I have a personal stake in it and I don’t think it is bad to have a personal stake when it is your friends and colleagues being laid off.

Also I lean liberal, so what, if the Democratic Party tried to overturn an election by force, I would be saying the same things about them. Neither political party correctly represents me.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Oh I have a personal stake in it. My friends and colleagues are getting laid off. Project funding for conservation projects being ripped out of their hands. Funding to manage the wildlife that we all love to hunt. My boss is a fed and while my funding is not federal, it’s still impacting me in various ways. So yeah I have a personal stake in it and I don’t think it is bad to have a personal stake when it is your friends and colleagues being laid off.

Also I lean liberal, so what, if the Democratic Party tried to overturn an election by force, I would be saying the same things about them. Neither political party correctly represents me.

Don't care about your politics, it's the phrasing referring to j6 that discredits anything you've said.

 

[westsloper]

I've taken a look at the conservation stuff in project 2025. Seemed like pretty standard conservative stuff. Ramp up timber harvests, etc. The Forest Service is gonna have a hard time making that happen with the ongoing layoffs.

 

[Coldtrail]

This is unfortunate I agree, however we can't just keep paying for jobs for the sake of keeping people employed. There has to be a need for that job in the first place.

Not trying to justify jobs, just that this is a bigger deal in rural American than Washington DC.

 

[Gila]

Obviously some of you people don’t know jack shit about civil service. A disabled veteran has 10-point preference when applying for civil service and their active duty military service counts toward civil service retirement. If a civil servant deploys to a war zone they assume the rank of their position. For example a GS-11 assumes the rank of captain or major depending on seniority. How many disabled combat veterans lost their jobs? How many veterans will not be hired? Musk was not born here. He grew up in South Africa in their culture and does not understand our traditions or even our history! To avoid military service, Musk went to Canada! But his partner is a draft dodger anyway!