Project 2025 and public lands and environment

[PLhunter]

This was discussed before but most claimed it wasn’t a serious document or wouldn’t be played out. Seems how the architects are now in power (Vought, Stephen Miller, Carr etc.) and they are checking off items line by line I think it is a good idea to start strategizing for protecting public land as well as environmental resources with a compromised/severed system of checks and balances. Considering the acquisition of legislatively appropriated funds what can be done to support reseeding, conservation, and mitigating industrial pollution of lands and waters? The threat of implementation seems more real than it did when it was first laughed off here and I think we should be prepared to have those public land and environment fights become reality. There is more evidence supporting it as a threat than dismissing it.

 

[Dos XX]

I don't really pay attention to a lot of news. What document? What specific items are they checking off line by line? Can you post the document or a link to the document?

 

[CJ19]

This topic was closed once already. I can not wait until DOGE starts going through the conservation lobbyist swamp and hopefully i can see some of the nonsense my hard earned money has been funding.

 

[Gila]

I think it would be wise to toss the politics and get into the meat of the situation. The focus should be on the Dept of the Interior. I think Doug Burgum is going to be better than the anti-hunting Deb Haaland was. She was totally ignorant about hunting and believed that predator “restoration” was the way to manage ungulates. She also endorsed grazing buffalo that were just “zoo” animals on BLM land. Those buffalo are not to be consumed because the herds are from APR “parks” for eco-tourism. I am just hoping that the funding goes away for these predator “recovery” projects. Any changes would be welcome because I don’t think the DOI could get any worse than it is now.

 

[huntcookwrite]

I think it would be wise to toss the politics and get into the meat of the situation. The focus should be on the Dept of the Interior. I think Doug Burgum is going to be better than the anti-hunting Deb Haaland was. She was totally ignorant about hunting and believed that predator “restoration” was the way to manage ungulates. She also endorsed grazing buffalo that were just “zoo” animals on BLM land. Those buffalo are not to be consumed because the herds are from APR “parks” for eco-tourism. I am just hoping that the funding goes away for these predator “recovery” projects. Any changes would be welcome because I don’t think the DOI could get any worse than it is now.

I say this only half facetiously, but the DOI could certainly be much worse if the majority of public land is sold off to private entities with no interest in the use of the land beyond resource extraction.

 

[CJ19]

I say this only half facetiously, but the DOI could certainly be much worse if the majority of public land is sold off to private entities with no interest in the use of the land beyond resource extraction.

So, Donald J. Trump wanted to use "a meet in the middle" approach initially. We know this because his first appointment was Ryan Zinke in his first term. A MT guy who stated openly he did not want to sell public land, in a group that had some public land enemies. It was going to be hard for Zinke to be perfect in the eyes of the public land crowd. instead of working with this ally, almost every single public land group worked openly or behind closed door to demonize Zinke and get him removed.

Same can be said for the GAOA. Trump worked to get this legislation passed to permanently fund some of the most important parts of conservation. When the funding landed a little bit short of what was promise, instead of working with it knowing that it was in place permanently and adjustments could be made in the not too distance future, some of the biggest names and groups in conservation went full on attack trying to smear Trump and his administrations commitment to conservation.

So it looks to me that Trump has been the one that wanted to do this with precision and meet in the middle. Conservation lobbyists did not want to do that because it stopped the gravy train. DOGE is now here to find WASTE, FRAUD, and ABUSE. Sorry. The chance was there for the conservation industry to have their seats at the table. The conservation lobby and industrial said no. I laid this out in the first thread about this topic.

 

[Jason Snyder]

She also endorsed grazing buffalo that were just “zoo” animals on BLM land.

And? How is this different from grazing cattle?

 

[rogerdoger]

Elon is following a lot of principles from the economist Milton Friedman, who thought the federal gov’t should sell off all of its government land. You can read the article from Faux News…. I think PLHunter is right about getting our shit together to protect our public lands.

Elon Musk shares Milton Freidman's loathing of government bloat

Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) co-lead Elon Musk is pointing to famed economist Milton Friedman's take on which federal agencies should be scrapped.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[PLhunter]

And? How is this different from grazing cattle?

Yeah, I can’t say I witnessed any real life examples of the anti hunting bias of Haaland. I’d rather bison than cattle 9 times out of 10. So I can’t say I share his complaints. The damage and loss to ecosystems from unregulated extraction seems a more serious threat than too many buffalo roaming my blm.

 

[PLhunter]

Elon is following a lot of principles from the economist Milton Friedman, who thought the federal gov’t should sell off all of its government land. You can read the article from Faux News…. I think PLHunter is right about getting our shit together to protect our public lands.

Elon Musk shares Milton Freidman's loathing of government bloat

Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) co-lead Elon Musk is pointing to famed economist Milton Friedman's take on which federal agencies should be scrapped.

www.foxbusiness.com

Additionally, he’s going after very personal opinions on what waste is. Considering the consumer protections cost about $2.12 a year for tax payers and returned billions it wasn’t a big expense but he went after it because he personally didn’t like it. He’s never shown much of an interest in public lands or wildlife restoration so I’m going to assume once he gets to it. 4 million in reseeding after major burns is going to look like waste. Where to you and me. It’s everything we want.

 

[PLhunter]

So, Donald J. Trump wanted to use "a meet in the middle" approach initially. We know this because his first appointment was Ryan Zinke in his first term. A MT guy who stated openly he did not want to sell public land, in a group that had some public land enemies. It was going to be hard for Zinke to be perfect in the eyes of the public land crowd. instead of working with this ally, almost every single public land group worked openly or behind closed door to demonize Zinke and get him removed.

Same can be said for the GAOA. Trump worked to get this legislation passed to permanently fund some of the most important parts of conservation. When the funding landed a little bit short of what was promise, instead of working with it knowing that it was in place permanently and adjustments could be made in the not too distance future, some of the biggest names and groups in conservation went full on attack trying to smear Trump and his administrations commitment to conservation.

So it looks to me that Trump has been the one that wanted to do this with precision and meet in the middle. Conservation lobbyists did not want to do that because it stopped the gravy train. DOGE is now here to find WASTE, FRAUD, and ABUSE. Sorry. The chance was there for the conservation industry to have their seats at the table. The conservation lobby and industrial said no. I laid this out in the first thread about this topic.

I don’t know if I’d take DOGE quite so much at its word. Keep in mind, it is now government. So far Elon has made many wrong statements based on misunderstanding information. SQL and condoms for Gaza for instance. He’s cutting things and posting things before he understands things. Also, he’s just mostly targeting agencies he knows about from being investigated by them. I don’t have your level of trust in Musk or Doge. I wouldn’t turn the land I hunt over to him and expect to see it better for hunting.

 

[Loo.wii]

This was discussed before but most claimed it wasn’t a serious document or wouldn’t be played out. Seems how the architects are now in power (Vought, Stephen Miller, Carr etc.) and they are checking off items line by line I think it is a good idea to start strategizing for protecting public land as well as environmental resources with a compromised/severed system of checks and balances. Considering the acquisition of legislatively appropriated funds what can be done to support reseeding, conservation, and mitigating industrial pollution of lands and waters? The threat of implementation seems more real than it did when it was first laughed off here and I think we should be prepared to have those public land and environment fights become reality. There is more evidence supporting it as a threat than dismissing it.

Gas Light, Gas Light, Gas Light, Gas Light, Gas Light, Gas Light . Turmp good, you bad. Gas Light. Liberal snowflake. Oj daddy do no wrong. public land is communism!!!!! Get Pwnd libtard.

You wont win any hearts and minds here dude. believe me I've tried. Ive just summarized the average response to any non >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking point.

 

[PLhunter]

Elon is following a lot of principles from the economist Milton Friedman, who thought the federal gov’t should sell off all of its government land. You can read the article from Faux News…. I think PLHunter is right about getting our shit together to protect our public lands.

Elon Musk shares Milton Freidman's loathing of government bloat

Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) co-lead Elon Musk is pointing to famed economist Milton Friedman's take on which federal agencies should be scrapped.

www.foxbusiness.com

Thanks for a legitimate response. I recommend as we take this seriously just ignoring the ad hominem and more religious followers of our current government. It’ll keep the thread open longer. Keep in mind that last time people pretended it was all fake.

 

[Loo.wii]

Elon is following a lot of principles from the economist Milton Friedman, who thought the federal gov’t should sell off all of its government land. You can read the article from Faux News…. I think PLHunter is right about getting our shit together to protect our public lands.

Elon Musk shares Milton Freidman's loathing of government bloat

Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) co-lead Elon Musk is pointing to famed economist Milton Friedman's take on which federal agencies should be scrapped.

www.foxbusiness.com

The corporate welfare queen elon musk*

 

[Loo.wii]

I think it would be wise to toss the politics and get into the meat of the situation. The focus should be on the Dept of the Interior. I think Doug Burgum is going to be better than the anti-hunting Deb Haaland was. She was totally ignorant about hunting and believed that predator “restoration” was the way to manage ungulates. She also endorsed grazing buffalo that were just “zoo” animals on BLM land. Those buffalo are not to be consumed because the herds are from APR “parks” for eco-tourism. I am just hoping that the funding goes away for these predator “recovery” projects. Any changes would be welcome because I don’t think the DOI could get any worse than it is now.

In all seriousness. I personally dont think a few griz along the front range would be a bad thing. I need a distraction from the price of eggs.

 

[PLhunter]

Gas Light, Gas Light, Gas Light, Gas Light, Gas Light, Gas Light . Turmp good, you bad. Gas Light. Liberal snowflake. Oj daddy do no wrong. public land is communism!!!!! Get Pwnd libtard.

You wont win any hearts and minds here dude. believe me I've tried. Ive just summarized the average response to any non >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking point.

They shout down and go to the logical fallacy playbook. Ignore it and let’s just talk about what can be done with a reduced judiciary to stop or slow it when it comes. One option will have to be convincing fellow hunters to mobilize and to convince them that corporations and billionaires don’t actually have their best interest in mind when it comes to wildlife and access and stopping them is more important than hurting people you were convinced to hate. But that’s just one thing that has to happen.

 

[PLhunter]

I don't really pay attention to a lot of news. What document? What specific items are they checking off line by line? Can you post the document or a link to the document?

https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

Here is the document. So far the administration has put several architects in power and Vought was especially candid about it in a hidden camera interview. Thanks for asking great questions.

 

[Mcribs]

As public land hunter and user, we have to be skeptical of both sides. On one side you have anti hunter legislation, bans, wolf reintroduction. On the other you have free market, very pro business/rich people, minimal gov’t party. Both can negatively affect us.

I think whatever party is in power, it’s imperative to have hunters stick together. Being divided, highly partisan makes us weak.

 

[Jimbee]

I'd prefer public land that I can't hunt over private land that I can't hunt.

 

[Loo.wii]

They shout down and go to the logical fallacy playbook. Ignore it and let’s just talk about what can be done with a reduced judiciary to stop or slow it when it comes. One option will have to be convincing fellow hunters to mobilize and to convince them that corporations and billionaires don’t actually have their best interest in mind when it comes to wildlife and access and stopping them is more important than hurting people you were convinced to hate. But that’s just one thing that has to happen.

I think it honestly would take a grass roots movement among all public land users and the country as a whole. That would take a realization that we are all fellow country men and women. And not enemies divided by culture war. You know like the christian values people like to say they have. Surprisingly a ive found that most people except the most ignorant leftists aren't against hunting when they are presented with the facts of why its necessary a for both personal and wildlife management reasons. Its important to realize that yes billionares don't have our best interest in mind but culture wars distract us. something about convince the poorest person that he is better than the _______ and you can pick his pockets. Give him someone to look down on and he will empty his pockets for you. We are in the "he will empty his pockets for you."

But as always we are a frog being cooked alive and we are so distracted by hating people because of ______ to realize it.