Pressure: when is too much and why?

[bmart2622]

Whens the last time you shot a gun and didn't know what caliber it was??? We can sit here a play hypotheticals and what ifs to change the narrative in our favor all day, bottom line, here in the real world and not fanatsy land where you magically remove the human aspect of firing a rifle, recoil matters.

 

[35WhelenAI]

Sounds good, we're going to agree to disagree that conditioning to recoil is a main issue. Appreciate the discussion, bmart!

 

[bmart2622]

Sounds good, I'm going to agree to disagree that conditioning to recoil is a main issue. Appreciate the discussion, bmart!

Fixed it

 

[35WhelenAI]

No, that's not what I said. If you don't agree, then say you don't agree that conditioning to recoil is a real thing. You are willing to agree to one thing, I'm going to agree to another. That is the essence of "agree to disagree".

 

[bmart2622]

I agree with facts and logic. You dont speak for me and dont decide what I agree with

 

[Tell]

I saw a video from applied ballistics showing how much a gun moved before the bullet was out of the barrel. It was 3/8 of an inch or close to that. I don’t know the cartridge or bullet speed but I thought that was interesting. Recoil management is important, and a shooter with very poor recoil management, or someone used to shooting a 6br out of a 20lb rifle that lets it free recoil would probably shoot the 300 worse without knowing if it would kick much or not, simply because their recoil management wouldn’t be in line and consistent.

I’ve definitely seen impact shifts from body position changes, and I expect that if all you ever shot was a 22lr, your first shot of a heavy recoiling rifle wouldn’t be where it should.

What do you think whelen?

 

[35WhelenAI]

I agree with facts and logic. You dont speak for me and dont decide what I agree with

Yup, you do.

 

[35WhelenAI]

If someone put a cartridge in a chamber and told a shooter to squeeze off the shot with proper form and was truly a blind test situation the bullet is long gone before the human can feel the recoil. Things happen that fast. Second third and fourth shots, I'm not making any claim on that because that's where conditioning to recoil comes in. A bullet traveling 3000 fps takes about a literal millisecond to leave the barrel. There isn't a human alive or ever will be alive that can resond positively or negatively to anything in a millisecond, given the average human reaction time is 250 milliseconds with no external stimulus, i.e focusing on one thing and one thing only.

I am appreciative of responses here, however, this is about doing things to push velocity with unsafe pressures, and we've gotten away from that.