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If you took personal it probably struck home. Maybe some self introspection is order.
I didn't take it personally.. I just remarked that it is exactly what I have come to expect from those like you.. Ignore the facts and evidence, deflect and avoid.. Maybe you should take your own advice on introspection and consider that the org you keep defending, is ruled by an emperor with no clothes.. Like I stated earlier... Those foundations do not fund off mission... If BHA is being funded by them.. BHA is part of the problem..

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I didn't take it personally.. I just remarked that it is exactly what I have come to expect from those like you.. Ignore the facts and evidence, deflect and avoid.. Maybe you should take your own advice on introspection and consider that the org you keep defending, is ruled by an emperor with no clothes.. Like I stated earlier... Those foundations do not fund off mission... If BHA is being funded by them.. BHA is part of the problem..

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Problem defined by who? You? Did you ever pause to consider that people and groups of diverse interests could find commonality? If not maybe your problem is self induced. Binary thinking tends to lend itself to polarization. Shocking as it may be to you sometimes people can set differences aside to support a common cause.
 
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Yea that always good for a laugh. if you can’t take five minutes to look up which lobbyist paid for the green decoys website, then like I said, will-full ignorance is something that you can’t dispel with facts.

By the way what size shirt are you? I can send you one.
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The information is accurate.. Even if this isn't the best source.. How does taking money from organizations that are actively working against hunting, seem like working towards "common goals" for hunters? Wilberforce gave $90k in 2019, and Hewlett $750k.. You telling me that money from organizations that want to undermine or ban hunting altogether doesn't come with strings...? Come on...

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At any rate, I'm done with you.. The non-Kool-Aid crowd on here will have started to think and look for themselves.. The money doesn't lie.. Never does.

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yvon is a just a sales guy and we just are his new market segment gathered around for a pint night to relish in his BS, assuming we look past all his historical anti hunting gifts... from buff to yotes....
 
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The connection between Rinella, Carruth (First Lite founder) and Callaghan and Patagonia was meant to point out how you can in fact be friends with people you disagree with, contrary to some people's notion. For instance, the organizations have worked together on numerous occasions in advocating for the protection of public lands.

It’s one thing to team up on conservation projects, it’s another to represent a company as something they are in fact not, supported by multiple historical instances.
 

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There's hardly a there there, imo. Its founder hunts and fishes, they makes great gear for fishing, and the company absolutely hemorrhages cash into protecting public lands, including areas where we all hunt and fish. Hell, Patagonia even designs specialized combat gear for US Special Operations Forces.

Sure, it's disappointing when the actions of some associates or locations don't line up with my own values. But even if they're not absolute hunting fanatics, their conservation work benefits us in huge ways.

But I tend to be more of a pragmatist, and value that their gear is top-notch, that they stand behind it and repair it at no cost to you, and that they're an American company paying their workers a good wage. For me, Patagonia's values and initiatives are close enough to my own, even though it's not lock step with everything I believe.

We can balkanize anything...it's quite fashionable these days to insist on some weird form of unadulterated allegiance to what we want to hear. Some companies are genuine when they cater to that. Others could care less but know if they pander to you, you'll buy their $hit fine products.
 

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It’s one thing to team up on conservation projects, it’s another to represent a company as something they are in fact not, supported by multiple historical instances.

I’m not sure I understand what you’re trying to convey?
 
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I’m not sure I understand what you’re trying to convey?

pretty simple, Patagonia doesnt support legal hunting. If you put massive stipulations on what you deem ethical simply based off species(bison, bears, etc) you don’t support hunting, when you fund and encourage tag buy backs, and anti hunting legislation you don’t support hunting. It’s pretty clear cut,

don’t put Patagonia in the pro hunting category, they are not, supported with numerous current examples posted in this thread and easily googled past examples.
 
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pretty simple, Patagonia doesnt support legal hunting. If you put massive stipulations on what you deem ethical simply based off species(bison, bears, etc) you don’t support hunting, when you fund and encourage tag buy backs, and anti hunting legislation you don’t support hunting. It’s pretty clear cut,

don’t put Patagonia in the pro hunting category, they are not, supported with numerous current examples posted in this thread and easily googled past examples.

Thanks for clarifying. I can't seem to find anywhere in this thread though where myself or someone else said Patagonia was pro-hunting?
 

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Is FL good to buy? Being owned by Meateater who is owned by Chernin

What about Netflix? They host the Meateater show, which leads to monetization of Meateater which supports Chernin? Same with a number of airlines don't allow certain trophies, so I hope people aren't flying on those lines including Delta, American, United, British Airways, Virgin, Air Canada. What about Gerber, they have supported Oregon Wild, and Amazon sells Gerber - monetizing them and in turn Oregon Wild. I'd guess Amazon is off limits? What about Cabela's that sells Gerber? Maybe they're anti-hunting and don't even realize o_O.

Seems difficult to not support any company that in some way funds something we might disagree with.
 

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What about Netflix? They host the Meateater show, which leads to monetization of Meateater which supports Chernin? Same with a number of airlines don't allow certain trophies, so I hope people aren't flying on those lines including Delta, American, United, British Airways, Virgin, Air Canada. What about Gerber, they have supported Oregon Wild, and Amazon sells Gerber - monetizing them and in turn Oregon Wild. I'd guess Amazon is off limits? What about Cabela's that sells Gerber? Maybe they're anti-hunting and don't even realize o_O.

Seems difficult to not support any company that in some way funds something we might disagree with.
But it's easy enough not to support "hunting" companies that support foundations and organizations that work against our lifestyle and livelihood..

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Thanks for clarifying. I can't seem to find anywhere in this thread though where myself or someone else said Patagonia was pro-hunting?

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What about Netflix? They host the Meateater show, which leads to monetization of Meateater which supports Chernin? Same with a number of airlines don't allow certain trophies, so I hope people aren't flying on those lines including Delta, American, United, British Airways, Virgin, Air Canada. What about Gerber, they have supported Oregon Wild, and Amazon sells Gerber - monetizing them and in turn Oregon Wild. I'd guess Amazon is off limits? What about Cabela's that sells Gerber? Maybe they're anti-hunting and don't even realize o_O.

Seems difficult to not support any company that in some way funds something we might disagree with.


we should just go ahead forget we have choices as consumers, Infact we should take it even further and max out our tax-able deductions donations to .org like SPCA, PETA and DOW etc.........

You can pretty well determine those that a directly targeting hunting like Patagonia previous tag buy back campaign.

Not really sure what the point of your straw man statements are.
 

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we should just go ahead forget we have choices as consumers, Infact we should take it even further and max out our tax-able deductions donations to .org like SPCA, PETA and DOW etc.........

You can pretty well determine those that a directly targeting hunting like Patagonia previous tag buy back campaign.

Not really sure what the point of your straw man statements are.
I think he means that if we can't do it all... Why do anything.. I'm more of a do what I can when I can..

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