Patagonia (please read)

[brsnow]

I think my statement was taken the wrong way. If you shoot a deer every year and have zero interest in shooting a wolf or bear as well have at it. I teach my son we don't pursue any ungulates until we've shot a predator for the season, I don't think that makes me any more of better of a hunter than someone who shoots nothing but deer as long as that guy supports my right to do so. If someone calls themselves a hunter but is actively working AGAINST hunting as a form of wildlife management does that not seem ass backwards? Or is the selective hearing that prevalent. Didn't mean that as an attack on anyone's outlook or way of hunting, just sharing my perspective looking at a province full of people complaining about the decline in deer, elk, moose and caribou but claiming they don't shoot wolves or bears because they only kill what they eat...when if they killed a wolf or two every winter they might have an extra deer or two for the freezer come fall.

It makes them a libertarian hunter, that is not ass backwards

 

[Trial153]

The most competition for resorces come from your own species . I dont too many hunters killing and eating their young. With humans dominating the ecosystem I dont think a sense of awareness is the worst thing.
Personally i think there is room on the landscape for evething to live and die. You want to kill wolves and not deer have at it, you want to shoot elk but arent intrested in killing a loin, have at it. I am all for individuals being able define hunting for themsleves, as a hunter.

 

[BackcountryBloodline]

It makes them a libertarian hunter, that is not ass backwards

Actively working against hunting rights is not libertarian at all last time I checked, I think that would more accurately describe the first guy I referenced that supports my right to do something even though he personally has no interest in doing so himself...

 

[mtnkid85]

I certainly don't agree with the groups that are against predator management who are receiving support from Patagonia. But you can't argue Patagonias support for our public lands, environment and habitat.

Sure I do think managing predators is an issue, but by far and away I feel the bigger issue we as hunters and the game we love to pursue is facing is loss of habitat. Patagonias mission statement is something along the lines of "To save the planet."
lll happily support anyone who is going to fight for a cleaner environment, protecting habitat and building robust game populations.

 

[BackcountryBloodline]

The most competition for resorces come from your own species . I dont too many hunters killing and eating their young. With humans dominating the ecosystem I dont think a sense of awareness is the worst thing.
Personally i think there is room on the landscape for evething to live and die. You want to kill wolves and not deer have at it, you want to shoot elk but arent intrested in killing a loin, have at it. I am all for individuals being able define hunting for themsleves, as a hunter.

That was true not too long ago which is why native americans would generally attack and kill or enslave any other human caught hunting in their territory. Now (most) human hunting is heavily regulated, more humans hunting doesn't mean less animals it just means less opportunity. Predators are unregulated and non-selective in their hunting and also very hard to scale back especially with naive groups like this working hard to see them behind every tree in the woods they never visit.

 

[bat-cave]

Evan Chuinard, the founder of Patagonia, hunts. He is also a very left environmentally/politically. All that to say I don't think it's as black and white as it may initially appear.

Yvon Chouinard is not a friend to anyone that hunts or desires to own a gun ... His story is amazing and he spawned several iconic brands (Chouinard - now Black Diamond and of course Patagonia). This being said, he's got some very radical political views and is close with BHA ... supporting the original posters' stance (IMHO). People can and should do as they please with how they choose to spend their $$, but I for one agree that avoiding Patagonia is an excellent decision!

FWIW, I'm a former climber that was even sponsored by Black Diamond for a period of time. I am deeply disappointed by what is frankly his anarchist's view of the world. My .02

 

[BackcountryBloodline]

I apparently am not worth my salt.

Hey now, you said it not me!

In all fairness you're all probably better and more accomplished hunters than me. Just trying to spread some awareness on an issue close to home and I apologize if my ramblings out of frustration at a steep uphill battle rubbed anybody the wrong way! I know we need to be supportive of each other in all methods of legal hunting which is exactly why I was surprised to hear that the owner of Patagonia calls himself a hunter while not nipping this in the bud as soon as he caught wind of it. I'm sure he kills more bucks than me as well, hell of a lot more actually if he's passing up legal opportunities to manage predators in his hunting units but that's none of my business. Him allowing his employees to use the name he's built to take away the rights of me and my son on the other hand is 100% my business and just thought people should be aware.

 

[BackcountryBloodline]

This being said, he's got some very radical political views and is close with BHA ... supporting the original posters' stance (IMHO).
FWIW, I'm a former climber that was even sponsored by Black Diamond for a period of time. I am deeply disappointed by what is frankly his anarchist's view of the world. My .02

Thanks for that insight, I'm active with our local BHA organization and had wondered why our chapter seemed to kind of tiptoe around this one when it was brought up, would have been better to just mention that at the meeting though in my opinion than have members wondering why it's being shrugged off.

 

[tdot]

Thanks for the info. I'm quite disappointed to hear that Patagucci is this hypocritical. They have an entire division of their company dedicated to Fishing.

I met a group of them in Honduras, a few years back. They were actively fishing for a predatory fish. A picture from that trip made it on to their catalogue that year.

I've always supported them, despite the obvious hypocrisy of their attempts to advertise against consumerism, yet actively engaging in it.

I'll be taking my money elsewhere from now on. Especially considering it is the Vancouver store that I would shop at.

 

[cmahoney]

Thanks for the info. I'm quite disappointed to hear that Patagucci is this hypocritical. They have an entire division of their company dedicated to Fishing.

I met a group of them in Honduras, a few years back. They were actively fishing for a predatory fish. A picture from that trip made it on to their catalogue that year.

I've always supported them, despite the obvious hypocrisy of their attempts to advertise against consumerism, yet actively engaging in it.

I'll be taking my money elsewhere from now on. Especially considering it is the Vancouver store that I would shop at.

Apparently a coyotes life is much more valuable than a fish on the Patagonia scale.


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[BackcountryBloodline]

Thanks for the info. I'm quite disappointed to hear that Patagucci is this hypocritical. They have an entire division of their company dedicated to Fishing.

I met a group of them in Honduras, a few years back. They were actively fishing for a predatory fish. A picture from that trip made it on to their catalogue that year.

I've always supported them, despite the obvious hypocrisy of their attempts to advertise against consumerism, yet actively engaging in it.

I'll be taking my money elsewhere from now on. Especially considering it is the Vancouver store that I would shop at.

Every granola cruncher knows killing fish for food is fine, hell even killing a deer for food is acceptable...how DARE anyone eat a delicious bear though!

 

[cmahoney]

The trophy hunting BS kills me too. What is catch and release fishing? Wouldn’t that be trophy fishing? Aren’t you purposely injuring and possibly killing some of the fish for pure sport in pursuit of you next biggest for a social media post?




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[tdot]

It is unfortunate that we as hunters constantly bicker amongst ourselves. Trying to define what each can or can't do. Who is right or wrong.... we have bigger problems and it would be nice if we all banded together more...

For the record, I think catch and release fishing is stupid. I spear fish. I eat what I kill. I've seen the dead fish on the bottom of the sea and rivers from catch and release. It would never be allowed if it was a mammal that we were doing this to.
But I would never speak out against a fisherman. They are outside, pursuing a passion and using a resource that we are legally allowed to do so.

 

[cmahoney]

It is unfortunate that we as hunters constantly bicker amongst ourselves. Trying to define what each can or can't do. Who is right or wrong.... we have bigger problems and it would be nice if we all banded together more...

For the record, I think catch and release fishing is stupid. I spear fish. I eat what I kill. I've seen the dead fish on the bottom of the sea and rivers from catch and release. It would never be allowed if it was a mammal that we were doing this to.
But I would never speak out against a fisherman. They are outside, pursuing a passion and using a resource that we are legally allowed to do so.

I agree, if the professional wild life managers allow it, I’m good with it. Catch and release fishing is just an example of the hypocrisy coming from Patagonia.


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[tdot]

Every granola cruncher knows killing fish for food is fine, hell even killing a deer for food is acceptable...how DARE anyone eat a delicious bear though!

Ah yes, the hypocrisy of the environmentalist.

I consider myself an environmentalist, yet I'm quite convinced that environmentalists are some of the most dangerous organizations right now.

 

[tdot]

Every granola cruncher knows killing fish for food is fine, hell even killing a deer for food is acceptable...how DARE anyone eat a delicious bear though!

Ha. I dont dare mention how tasty Bears are in general conversation anymore.

 

[Bruce Culberson]

...how DARE anyone eat a delicious bear though!

Cougar is pretty darn tasty too!

Personally i'm trying to steer clear of brands that support trying to shut down hunting, be it ungulates or predators.

Black Diamond is owned by the Clarus Corp who also owns Sierra Bullets....

 

[88man]

You know you can't be just a little anti hunting in my book.

 

[bruceleroy]

I didnt see it so I will say it...Patagonia is overpriced. There is nothing special about pretty much any of these companies except their marketing teams. Sure, brand A throws an extra stitch here and there but the fabric is generally (not always) made in a 3rd world country by slave labor. They market their sex appeal and ultra this and that and we spend our money. We are suckers.
I also find it funny that a super lib leaning company also makes high end tactical clothing for the Special Forces.,

 

[BackcountryBloodline]

Ha. I dont dare mention how tasty Bears are in general conversation anymore.

I give bear pepperoni out like candy to people that have never tried it, I try and save it as a sort of "reward" for helping me out in some trivial way...mail man spent about 15 minutes calling around trying to track down some packages that never made it on his truck last Friday, arranged for me to pick it up at the depot so I didn't have to wait until Monday. Gave him a pack of pep this morning and he seemed very grateful, now next time someone around him scoffs at the idea of bear hunting and says nobody eats bear he can educate them with some first hand knowledge.

@Bruce Culberson lots of those where I hunt as well, working on trying to put one in the freezer soon as well...you're right, was surprised at how tasty those things are!

I didnt see it so I will say it...Patagonia is overpriced. There is nothing special about pretty much any of these companies except their marketing teams. Sure, brand A throws an extra stitch here and there but the fabric is generally (not always) made in a 3rd world country by slave labor. They market their sex appeal and ultra this and that and we spend our money. We are suckers.
I also find it funny that a super lib leaning company also makes high end tactical clothing for the Special Forces.,

But...but...the $30 version doesn't have ____ feature that I could have installed by a tailor for 1/10 the price difference! Also how would the hot yoga chicks at starbucks know I'm not a broke redneck? (Insert Kuiu coffee shop thread reference here )