Painless load development (mine)

[DadWil]

Yes. I’m not sure if 67 is completely compressed. I can still hear powder when shaking it.

That's not compressed
I got nothing then...
other than you're blowing more unburned powder out of the barrel with 67 grains than with 66 grains

 

[OXN939]

 

[huntnful]

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At first I was like “at least I’m not old”, then I realized I kind of am. So this meme is literally about me

 

[WhoGarrDen]

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They're using 5-shot groups now instead of 3?? Progress!

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

They're using 5-shot groups now instead of 3?? Progress!

Better yet, 10 shot groups, or two 5 shot groups on the same target to avoid over heating.

 

[Helislacker]

First 10 round group out of my 6.5 Tikka in its new Rokstok. I used this method with once fired Hornady brass. 140gr ELD’s loaded to factory length with 42.0gr h4350.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

First 10 round group out of my 6.5 Tikka in its new Rokstok. I used this method with once fired Hornady brass. 140gr ELD’s loaded to factory length with 42.0gr h4350.

Looks like I have a good starting load once I rebuild the reloading bench.


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[Helislacker]

Looks like I have a good starting load once I rebuild the reloading bench.


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42.0g is the highest I think I’d go and still probably be Walmart safe.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

42.0g is the highest I think I’d go and still probably be Walmart safe.

Yeah, I haven’t compared that load with my books yet. That may not be my starting point, but it’s around where I thought I would end up.


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[Helislacker]

Yeah, I haven’t compared that load with my books yet. That may not be my starting point, but it’s around where I thought I would end up.


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Here’s the brass for reference. I didn’t notice anything of concern but let me know if you guys see it differently.

 

[Natebonebusta]

First 10 round group out of my 6.5 Tikka in its new Rokstok. I used this method with once fired Hornady brass. 140gr ELD’s loaded to factory length with 42.0gr h4350.

I’m a 130tmk over 42.6gr of h4350. I’d say you’ve hit a great spot to load up and go hunting.

 

[Harvey_NW]

Here’s the brass for reference. I didn’t notice anything of concern but let me know if you guys see it differently.View attachment 930699

I don't see anything concerning, especially with Hornady brass. IME it's softer and shows signs earlier than tougher brass. What action are you shooting that load in?

 

[Helislacker]

I don't see anything concerning, especially with Hornady brass. IME it's softer and shows signs earlier than tougher brass. What action are you shooting that load in?

Tikka

 

[wind gypsy]

Yeah, I haven’t compared that load with my books yet. That may not be my starting point, but it’s around where I thought I would end up.


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41.5 H4350, 140 ELD or hybrid = peanut butter and jelly. No concerns of being hot in hornady, lapua, alpha, Norma, Sig brass. Peterson and ADG have smaller capacities.

 

[slatebuilder]

Both loads are functionally the same for my purposes, however out of curiosity. In a 243 Winchester that I am working on, the 95 grain nosler balistic tip shoots 1.67 MOA at 100 yards for 10 shots. The 103 ELDX shoots 1.9 MOA for 10 shots.

At what range will the higher BC bullet begin to win out? Assuming it is a dead calm zero wind day.

 

[NWBLKTAIL]

Both loads are functionally the same for my purposes, however out of curiosity. In a 243 Winchester that I am working on, the 95 grain nosler balistic tip shoots 1.67 MOA at 100 yards for 10 shots. The 103 ELDX shoots 1.9 MOA for 10 shots.

At what range will the higher BC bullet begin to win out? Assuming it is a dead calm zero wind day.

I run both those bullets in my 243win, just a quick glance at my ballistic charts. MV for your loads is important to know.
Mine seems to be a wash to 500yds then the 103eldx seems to start pulling away past that.

Edit: JBM ballistics is free and has a huge library of bullets to play around with this very idea.

 

[wind gypsy]

Both loads are functionally the same for my purposes, however out of curiosity. In a 243 Winchester that I am working on, the 95 grain nosler balistic tip shoots 1.67 MOA at 100 yards for 10 shots. The 103 ELDX shoots 1.9 MOA for 10 shots.

At what range will the higher BC bullet begin to win out? Assuming it is a dead calm zero wind day.

Win out in which way? Primary benefit of BC IMO is wind deflection, second is velocity retention. But a 243 should drive a 95 fast enough to have sufficient velocity beyond where 99% of people should shoot at animals.

 

[slatebuilder]

Win out in which way? Primary benefit of BC IMO is wind deflection, second is velocity retention. But a 243 should drive a 95 fast enough to have sufficient velocity beyond where 99% of people should shoot at animals.

I guess the question really didn’t make much sense and I ended up answering my own question to a point. Our local range has paper target banks to 444 yards and steel to 585 yards. The Nosler holds a tighter 10 shot group at 444 than the ELDx. At 585 they both hit the 15” steel plate consistently. I would like to go back on a day when it is a bit windy and repeat the same shots. You are correct the nosler will have sufficient velocity at ranges beyond what must people, myself included should be shooting at game.

And since this a painless load development thread…….both the ELDX load and the NBT load were developed using the procedures outlined here. For anyone doubting whether this works or not, try it.

 

[huntnful]

Here’s a quick load I developed on my 7-300 NMI.

195 Berger’s and N570 powder

Pressure ladder to find pressure and see if it would like the bullet/powder combo. I shot the ladder at .030 off the lands.


Picked 87gr. Loaded 15 rounds, starting with all of them touching the lands. Went to the range with my mobile seater.

First 3 with the bullets touching the lands



Seated them .009 deeper off the lands. They started stacking, so I ended up shooting 5 for a group.


I seated the rest of them to this depth, zeroed the scope based off the 5 shot group and just trued data at long range. It shot great at long range as well.

 

[HuntHarder]

@huntnful I notice that you use quite a bit of VV powder. Have you noticed any big temp stability problems with it. I have not loaded VV in over 15 years because I thought it had pretty large temp swings. I pretty much stick to Hodgdon Extreme powders now. The speeds some of you are getting with VV is impressive, not to mention some of your groups. Great shooting.