Older, reliable, 3rd vehicle?

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Serious question here since Rokslide doubles as the Toyota fan club. Btw I have owned - and currently do own a Toyota, so I don't hate them.

How many people actually work on their Toyotas themselves though? Not talking about changing the battery or bolting accessories to the roof but real actual mechanic work like replacing head gasket, fuel pump, fuel injectors, cooling system, front end components etc. My old 94 4runner went to over 300k but I hated working on it. Hands always bleeding from reaching into the cramped engine bay and hard or nearly impossible bolts to access. Parts were expensive or hard to find at junkyards. Then there were things like the fuel pump being located on top of the gas tank and many more quirks that made life difficult for the shade tree mechanic. OP said he wants an old vehicle he can work on at home, to me that's not Toyota unless you've got mechanic experience or really enjoy that work. Especially getting an older one that will probably require more maintenance along the way.
I hear ya, but I will say this, pretty much every Toyota I've ever owned never required any major work. The exception to this is a '92 3.0L Forerunner that blew a head gasket, but it was deemed a manufacture defect and covered under warrantee. I've done all the work on my '92 Landcruiser, but even then it's just been general maintenance work, suspension lift, bumpers, etc., nothing major has been needed.
 

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Can’t say that my experience with Toyotas matches yours, but 2 people can accomplish the same task and have different opinions as to difficulty level. I’ve always found Toyotas easy to work on, not that it’s needed much. Now Honda engineers can go take a leap. As for fuel pumps, they are always in the tank on a FI vehicle, so I consider that a wash across the board. What do you mean by ‘on top of the tank’?

3rd gen 4 Runner with the 3.4 and a manual, or an early 2000’s Rav would be my vote. Any Jeep with the 4.0 is pretty reliable, though I find the transmission tunnel to be so huge that they are uncomfortable to drive.
 

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Serious question here since Rokslide doubles as the Toyota fan club. Btw I have owned - and currently do own a Toyota, so I don't hate them.

How many people actually work on their Toyotas themselves though? Not talking about changing the battery or bolting accessories to the roof but real actual mechanic work like replacing head gasket, fuel pump, fuel injectors, cooling system, front end components etc. My old 94 4runner went to over 300k but I hated working on it. Hands always bleeding from reaching into the cramped engine bay and hard or nearly impossible bolts to access. Parts were expensive or hard to find at junkyards. Then there were things like the fuel pump being located on top of the gas tank and many more quirks that made life difficult for the shade tree mechanic. OP said he wants an old vehicle he can work on at home, to me that's not Toyota unless you've got mechanic experience or really enjoy that work. Especially getting an older one that will probably require more maintenance along the way.
I did most of the work on my 1st gen tundra. Basic maintenance to front end rebuild, suspension, thermostats, etc. I paid someone to redo the timing belt. Just didn’t have many problems with it that required a lot work.
 

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Fabulous vehicle, but in Idaho you'd have to take a second mortgage out on your house to buy one.
 
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Serious question here since Rokslide doubles as the Toyota fan club. Btw I have owned - and currently do own a Toyota, so I don't hate them.

How many people actually work on their Toyotas themselves though? Not talking about changing the battery or bolting accessories to the roof but real actual mechanic work like replacing head gasket, fuel pump, fuel injectors, cooling system, front end components etc. My old 94 4runner went to over 300k but I hated working on it. Hands always bleeding from reaching into the cramped engine bay and hard or nearly impossible bolts to access. Parts were expensive or hard to find at junkyards. Then there were things like the fuel pump being located on top of the gas tank and many more quirks that made life difficult for the shade tree mechanic. OP said he wants an old vehicle he can work on at home, to me that's not Toyota unless you've got mechanic experience or really enjoy that work. Especially getting an older one that will probably require more maintenance along the way.
I've never had a major failure on the 5 I've owned. Biggest repair was a couple of timing belts on a 4.7 (due to age and mileage and it being an interference engine) and it wasn't bad at all. Brakes/shocks/struts and fluid swaps are simple and appear well engineered with service in mind.
Keeping a couple of 25 year old diesels on the road requires a lot more of my time.
 

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Serious question here since Rokslide doubles as the Toyota fan club. Btw I have owned - and currently do own a Toyota, so I don't hate them.

How many people actually work on their Toyotas themselves though? Not talking about changing the battery or bolting accessories to the roof but real actual mechanic work like replacing head gasket, fuel pump, fuel injectors, cooling system, front end components etc. My old 94 4runner went to over 300k but I hated working on it. Hands always bleeding from reaching into the cramped engine bay and hard or nearly impossible bolts to access. Parts were expensive or hard to find at junkyards. Then there were things like the fuel pump being located on top of the gas tank and many more quirks that made life difficult for the shade tree mechanic. OP said he wants an old vehicle he can work on at home, to me that's not Toyota unless you've got mechanic experience or really enjoy that work. Especially getting an older one that will probably require more maintenance along the way.
Everything on our 3 Toyotas. 410k combined and nothing I couldn’t do with basic hand tools. I don’t think I’ve ever owned or worked on a modern gasoline powered car that didn’t have an in tank fuel pump.
 

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I've been looking at some early 2000's Ford Explorers. Can anyone speak to their longevity/ reputation?
We had a 2009 AWD Explorer. It had 120,000 miles on it when I got rid of it. Other than routine maintenance, the only thing I had to do is have the alternator rebuilt after it sat for a year during COVID. The only reason I got rid of it is because we live in the snow belt and they put a lot of salt on the roads here. It finally rusted out and wouldn't pass inspection anymore. I was really hoping to pass that one down to the kids when they started driving.
 
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Older 4Runner/sequoia/Land Cruiser depending on what comes along first for a good price. I’ve got a 04 4Runner with right at 270k on it that’s my daily. It’s been absolutely solid for the year and a half I’ve owned it. I still have my truck which is 11 years newer and 160k less miles but only drive it if I really need a truck. Everything else is my 4Runner and honestly to my butt, the 4Runner is just as comfortable of a ride.
 
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Everything on our 3 Toyotas. 410k combined and nothing I couldn’t do with basic hand tools. I don’t think I’ve ever owned or worked on a modern gasoline powered car that didn’t have an in tank fuel pump.
My '03 Dodge Cummins came stock with the lift pump located on the back of the fuel filter, but after it went belly up at around 60k miles, the dealership relocated it to inside the tank.
 

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I have a 06 4runner Limited with the 4.7 for my 3rd vehicle, which handles my outdoors related tasks. I found one in really nice shape with 250,000 mi. It's kind of crazy, almost 20 years old, and the power windows, sunroof, seats, etc all just work like they are supposed to.

My brother has a 99 4runner that has been great as well.

Keep up with maintenance, and it seems like it takes rust or wrecks to kill them.

The 4runner was made in Japan, some people say there is a difference between the quality of Japanese made Toyota and US made.
 
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Everything on our 3 Toyotas. 410k combined and nothing I couldn’t do with basic hand tools. I don’t think I’ve ever owned or worked on a modern gasoline powered car that didn’t have an in tank fuel pump.

I would say most of you who actually work on your Toyota's are the minority so good job.

My 4runner's fuel pump was on top of the tank and when it when it failed on me one day I had to cut a hole underneath the backseat to access it since I didn't have the means to remove the tank at the time. All Jeeps I've owned the fp has been on the side of the tank where I can replace it without lowering the entire gas tank. It was that kind of stuff that made me dislike working on them.
 

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Well not to go too far out of the box but my wife has been driving Volvos for over 30 years. With AWD and snow tires, they will go just about as far as I can go with my 4WD trucks. She only has 160K on the one that she's driving now but if she hadn't just decided that she wants a new vehicle, I'm sure that this one would go at least 160K more. Great starter cars for kids as they are super safe tanks.
 

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3rd gen 4 Runner with the 3.4 and a manual, or an early 2000’s Rav would be my vote. Any Jeep with the 4.0 is pretty reliable, though I find the transmission tunnel to be so huge that they are uncomfortable to drive.
I had a 2004 RAV4 that I took immaculate care of but at 53,000 miles and six years of driving, the head gaskets started leaking because of the disimalar metals with the head bolts and aluminum heads. The bolts would work there way out causing the leak. I beleive it led to a class action lawsuit or something. I sold mine as soon as I found the issue and it caused me to loose faith in Toyota until I bought my 2007 4Runner last July. It has 252,300 miles on it and runs great. I did just change the spark lplugs and coil packs but that was easy. I like the roominess of the engine with the 4.0 Land it has plenty of power for my needs.
 
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Well not to go too far out of the box but my wife has been driving Volvos for over 30 years. With AWD and snow tires, they will go just about as far as I can go with my 4WD trucks. She only has 160K on the one that she's driving now but if she hadn't just decided that she wants a new vehicle, I'm sure that this one would go at least 160K more. Great starter cars for kids as they are super safe tanks.
It's funny you mention Volvos, because we bought a '05 XC90 for our daughter about a year or so ago (her first vehicle), and I was just thinking the other day that if I could be guaranteed safely exiting the car, I would drive that SOB off a cliff. I'll admit that it gets around very good in the snow and it's definitely a tank (the two big reasons why we bought it for our 16yo, but man is it a POS! It has less than 140k miles and the transmission is going out, won't stay in 4th gear on the hwy, it'll down shift into third and the only way to get it back into fourth is to stop, turn it off, and restart it. But as soon as you get it up to speed and into fourth, it down shifts again and you're back in third, doing 60mph and tach-ing about 3100rpm's. Now (just started last week), there's a short somewhere and the auto locks no longer work, inside lights flash on and off constantly when you're driving and make a turn using the turn signal, then when it's parked and off, the inside lights stay on and drain the battery. One problem after another with this damn thing. Oh, and I just replaced the radiator because it all of a sudden started leaking profusely, and what a major PITA that was.
 

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My wife has a 2004 Explorer with ~150K miles she bought before we married. It runs and drives good but we have had to replace all wheel bearings, heater fan, and it is incredibly rusty. I would like her to level up to a 4 Runner or Honda Pilot.
 
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As for fuel pumps, they are always in the tank on a FI vehicle, so I consider that a wash across the board. What do you mean by ‘on top of the tank’?
Like I said above, the fuel pump was located on the topside of the fuel tank so you had to lower the entire gas tank to access/replace it, as opposed to some vehicles with side mounted fp's that don't require lowering/removing the gas tank at all. That was just one of many things on my 4runner that were a nightmare to access. Fuel injectors required taking the entire top half of the motor off to replace. Timing belts suck too, at least some newer Toyotas went with the chain like 2010+ Tundras.
 
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Thanks all. I think I'm convinced to take a good look at some Toyotas with the 4.0 or 4.7. I've got a good buddy with a lift in his shop, and he's pretty handy, so that alleviates some of the concerns about working on them.
 
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