Nightforce NX6 Lineup

[Formidilosus]

My thoughts exactly. If Nightforce would actually listen to the market demand, I’m thinking the Unknown scope wouldn’t have even been a thing. Seeing the specs on this new line, they clearly COULD build the scope we all want. They just won’t for some reason. Their loss I guess

Nightforce was asked years ago, and multiple times since- to do a correct reticle, and they were offered to have the reticle development paid for- wouldn’t even cost them. Nope. Not interested.

 

[HuntHarder]

My thoughts exactly. If Nightforce would actually listen to the market demand, I’m thinking the Unknown scope wouldn’t have even been a thing. Seeing the specs on this new line, they clearly COULD build the scope we all want. They just won’t for some reason. Their loss I guess


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Makes me think we are in our own bubble, too small for market share at this point. Big companies often let small companies pay for R&D and proving a market exists before they jump in and dominate. They clearly know of this forum, but do not cater to the masses wants.

 

[SDHNTR]

I don’t like any of these reticles but I could suffer through a couple of them IF they are usable at low power. This was largely a fail at providing a reticle with the features hunters want, but is the damn thing actually usable at 3x? That matters more to me than any other nuance.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

It’s pretty comical at this point. The gas gun people will like the FC-MRx in the 2-12x, but that’s about it.

"See no one wants a light 2-12 FFP scope, it didn't sell, we told you!"

 

[HuntHarder]

I don’t like any of these reticles but I could suffer through a couple of them IF they are usable at low power. This was largely a fail at providing a reticle with the features hunters want, but is the damn thing actually usable at 3x? That matters more to me than any other nuance.

Why ever shoot at 3x? I am not sure there are very many scenarios where 6x minimum wouldn't work. Half this forum worships the fixed 6x.

 

[Blacktail_Brown]

Imagine if Leupolds could pass a drop test and track

I've said this every time I get behind my Leupold VX-5—"this is absolutely perfect in every way except the reliability [a big deal]."

The closest I've seen are the new Trijicon Credo offerings. I wish the glass was on par with Leupold at low light.

 

[Chris in TN]

There was a “do not talk about” until this time and date. A retailer and others went two hours earlier. No big deal just SMH.

Ah! My bad and I apologize. You said 'embargo' and I was thinking geopolitics, not retailer disclosure agreements.

 

[BBob]

Glass quality is absolutely not the low light limiting factor. It's the sucky reticles. Trust me on this.

Signed,
Bubbles.

 

[alexnelon]

This is exactly what I expected. I’m not buying any of these.

 

[Lowedown]

Why ever shoot at 3x? I am not sure there are very many scenarios where 6x minimum wouldn't work. Half this forum worships the fixed 6x.

For instance you take your do all rifle to your favorite glassing spot in the morning where you expect longer shots, but then decide to still hunt through the woods to your next glassing spot, etc. Low power will be helpful should a quick shot scenario at close distance arise. My scope lives with the magnification on low power and the turret on best Point Blank Range until it is time to zoom in and dial for distance

 

[Tl15]

Makes me think we are in our own bubble, too small for market share at this point. Big companies often let small companies pay for R&D and proving a market exists before they jump in and dominate. They clearly know of this forum, but do not cater to the masses wants.

There’s a big assumption here that this forum represents “the masses”. The subset of this forum that would actually BUY something, rather than talk about it is likely quite small on their corporate balance sheet. I would venture that NF sees most of us as cheapskate whiney babies who buy SWFA, Trijicon, and secretly, Vortex. Think HK and their F the Poors ad campaign.

 

[RockAndSage]

Nightforce was asked years ago, and multiple times since- to do a correct reticle, and they were offered to have the reticle development paid for- wouldn’t even cost them. Nope. Not interested.

Sometimes, organizations only advance one retirement at a time.

Leupold, Nightforce, and Sig might consider what happened with Kimber when the big boss left.

 

[WRO]

Whomever came up with the 2x12 reticle options for F1 needs to be kicked squarely in the dick. I’m a MOA shooter, a MOAR would be adaquate for me. Instead some meal team 6 MF’er who just finished up a box of 24 crayolas got put in charge or reticles. FML

 

[Stinky Coyote]

I see FFP as a very poor choice for most people. I would bet my truck that 95% of people are taking game inside of 300 yards, most inside of 150. FFP makes NO sense at that range. Every complaint about invisible reticles is proof.

I think folks choose it because it’s what the cool kids shooting ELR out west are doing. That, or it makes them feel like hardcore operators on Meal-Team Six.

For reticle of course...the sfp is an on off switch, works one spot only. Hope you have enough exit pupil and image. The ffp is a range where it works and so far more useful/versatile. Even this old hunter sees the light now having couple seasons playing. I have always disliked the sfp reticle on off switch and will avoid them. Rather figure out a way to see a turret and dial than run sfp. Eyes and time to solution wants reticle so. Just fix the low mag side of ffp and have the full versatility for hunting.

I think manufacturers miss the most obvious step in designing a reticle for hunting. And that’s DEFINE hunting!!! Where is everyone killing in distances and lighting conditions? It’s not that hard. 0-600 to dark for 99% of tags filled. And time is of the essence to fill a tag. So simple is mandatory. If they figure that out should get much easier lol. Seems so obvious. No need to cross over to competition. Whats the scale of percentages of kills that happen to 600? Ie is bull of the kills closer to 600 or closer to 100? Duh, how bout low light ratio? Duh again....how do they miss this?

 

[dreamingWest]

Yea the only thing that makes sense at this point is that we are a very small market.

 

[Chris in TN]

There’s a big assumption here that this forum represents “the masses”. The subset of this forum that would actually BUY something, rather than talk about it is likely quite small on their corporate balance sheet. I would venture that NF sees most of us as cheapskate whiney babies who buy SWFA, Trijicon, and secretly, Vortex. Think HK and their F the Poors ad campaign.

I’m poor but I do own a pile of decent rifles with one Swarovski, one Zeiss, one NF. Maybe that’s why I’m poor. I’m not running out to buy tens of thousands of dollars worth of optics but I do appreciate quality and I’d like just once to spend money and not see it as a compromise.

You’re absolutely right that they have to make what will sell and apparently the masses want excel spreadsheets cluttering their scopes.

*shrugs*

 

[Formidilosus]

There’s a big assumption here that this forum represents “the masses”. The subset of this forum that would actually BUY something, rather than talk about it is likely quite small on their corporate balance sheet. I would venture that NF sees most of us as cheapskate whiney babies who buy SWFA, Trijicon, and secretly, Vortex. Think HK and their F the Poors ad campaign.

You guys need to quit giving excuses- Rokslide drives a pretty large portion of multiple markets and companies admit it. NF and everyone else gets repeatedly asked or told to make reticles for hunting at every show.

The reason that companies aren’t making reticles that fit the actual need is 100% because the companies do not have people that make decisions that actually hunt. They might shoot a deer in a field, and they might go on a guided elk hunt or to Africa- but they don’t broad base hunt seriously. That’s it. That’s the whole answer.

 

[EuroOptic]

The reason that companies aren’t making reticles that fit the actual need is 100% because the companies do not have people that make decisions that actually hunt. They might shoot a deer in a field, and they might go on a guided elk hunt or to Africa- but they don’t broad base hunt seriously. That’s it. That’s the whole answer.

This is the biggest problem in the industry, I agree.
The end user is never the one driving the design, lately everything is based on PRS/NRL and shooting stuff off the mirror of the PH/Guides truck.

 

[RockAndSage]

Rokslide drives a pretty large portion of multiple markets and companies admit it.

It drove the hell out of Minox sales in the last couple of months, if @EuroOptic recent special shipment is any indicator.

 

[alexnelon]

The reason that companies aren’t making reticles that fit the actual need is 100% because the companies do not have people that make decisions that actually hunt. They might shoot a deer in a field, and they might go on a guided elk hunt or to Africa- but they don’t broad base hunt seriously. That’s it. That’s the whole answer.

That plus those people making decisions are legitimate egomaniacs and are concretely convinced that they know best regardless of feedback or evidence to the contrary.