Nightforce Introduces Reticle Markeplace

[Southern Lights]

I thought about it making it April 1st, but it could probably be done if someone wanted to do it and drive down the costs. At a minimum, make available 4-6 reticles for each scope you can order on demand. Have a game gun reticle and hunting reticles.

But yeah I'm not in the scope industry and obviously they are getting these made at LOW or wherever and doing this kind of thing would mean getting the OEM involved and that would add friction. I'm dreaming, but I think a vendor that could offer this kind of service would have a really unique offering.

 

[Formidilosus]

I thought about it making it April 1st, but it could probably be done if someone wanted to do it and drive down the costs. At a minimum, make available 4-6 reticles for each scope you can order on demand. Have a game gun reticle and hunting reticles.

But yeah I'm not in the scope industry and obviously they are getting these made at LOW or wherever and doing this kind of thing would mean getting the OEM involved and that would add friction. I'm dreaming, but I think a vendor that could offer this kind of service would have a really unique offering.

It is way harder than you think. Just the production schedule alone means you wouldn’t get your scope for a year plus. Let alone the price, and the absolute goat rope that would cause the company.

You are thinking about this as “an” individual. Not as “thousands” of individuals all whining and complaining. Just look at what happens here when companies try to involve the customer so much- they turn into children.

 

[BishBeCool]

Got me. Well played sir.

 

[justin davis]

I don’t see what the deal is with everyone whining about the reticles. I use the Mil c in a few scopes and I think it’s awesome. But that’s me I guess

 

[Sled]

Anyone on here friends with Muley Freak? Maybe he could get someone at NF to listen.

Would anyone on here admit to it if they were friends with him?

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I want to see Nightforce release the Duffel Blog’s ROE reticle for its next tactical optic.

 

[BAKPAKR]

Would anyone on here admit to it if they were friends with him?

If they could get a good reticle out of the deal, I would give them a free pass on the relationship.

 

[Chris in TN]

I want to see Nightforce release the Duffel Blog’s ROE reticle for its next tactical optic.

There's a new restaurant near me. I drove past the other day and noticed their sign and thought 'ehhh, that's not the worst reticle design I've ever seen'.

Sure sign that I've been reading too much here, in the last few weeks. lol.



ETA: That's a google street view screenshot. Not my photo.

 

[tony]

If they could get a good reticle out of the deal, I would give them a free pass on the relationship.

Earn that reticle!

 

[Kyguy]

I'll admit that I was hooked for a minute

 

[Marbles]

It is way harder than you think. Just the production schedule alone means you wouldn’t get your scope for a year plus. Let alone the price, and the absolute goat rope that would cause the company.

You are thinking about this as “an” individual. Not as “thousands” of individuals all whining and complaining. Just look at what happens here when companies try to involve the customer so much- they turn into children.

I don't see why they can't do payed reticle swaps like S&B. Basically any FFP reticle from a 30mm tub can be put in another FFP scope with a 30mm tub. Make people buy the scope and then send it in for service.

If I'm not mistaken NF has the ability to service scopes without involving LOW. It also doesn't solve the issue of them not having an FFP reticle I want.

Not sure I would pay to swap, S&B quoted me $700 ($1,237.20, found the email) for a swap on one of their scopes. Especially not at that kind of price.

Anyway, obviously NF has just decided to be stubborn when it comes to reticles.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

I don’t see what the deal is with everyone whining about the reticles. I use the Mil c in a few scopes and I think it’s awesome. But that’s me I guess

That isn’t offered in the new 2-12 for instance. Just a Christmas tree.

 

[Formidilosus]

I don't see why they can't do payed reticle swaps like S&B. Basically any FFP reticle from a 30mm tub can be put in another FFP scope with a 30mm tub. Make people buy the scope and then send it in for service.

If I'm not mistaken NF has the ability to service scopes without involving LOW. It also doesn't solve the issue of them not having an FFP reticle I want.

You cannot just take a lens from one scope and put it in another just because they are both 30mm. Each reticle must be designed for, and made for each specific scope erector and model.

When reticles were wire you could change them to an extent, and relatively cheaply.
What people are asking for is fantasy. Furthermore, it actually lessons the impact and potential for companies to do better reticles. Every time they get a pie in the sky email or comment, they get to say- “see, the market is ignorant and has no clue what they want”.

Not sure I would pay to swap, S&B quoted me $700 ($1,237.20, found the email) for a swap on one of their scopes. Especially not at that kind of price.

Anyway, obviously NF has just decided to be stubborn when it comes to reticles.

The reason they are charging so much, is because is because it is not so easy or cheap to swap reticles. Not only that, depending on what you wanted- they may have to make it.

 

[Kyguy]

I don't see why they can't do payed reticle swaps like S&B. Basically any FFP reticle from a 30mm tub can be put in another FFP scope with a 30mm tub. Make people buy the scope and then send it in for service.

If I'm not mistaken NF has the ability to service scopes without involving LOW. It also doesn't solve the issue of them not having an FFP reticle I want.

Not sure I would pay to swap, S&B quoted me $700 ($1,237.20, found the email) for a swap on one of their scopes. Especially not at that kind of price.

Anyway, obviously NF has just decided to be stubborn when it comes to reticles.

That's a classic quote of "we don't WANT to do it and YOU'RE going to pay out the ass if you do want it". LOL

 

[Marbles]

That's a classic quote of "we don't WANT to do it and YOU'RE going to pay out the ass if you do want it". LOL

But, they can do it. Don't want too is very different from can't.

They also stated things that would result in a can't do it situation for what I was asking about, indicating it was a serious reply. It was about taking a reticle from the Klassik line (3-12x) and dropping it in a Stratos (1.5-8x). So, either the reticle is swappable, it doesn't cost 6K to design a reticle, or S&B designed a reticle for that Stratos and then shelved it. Or _____ that I'm not aware of, and no one here has brought up.

 

[Mike D Texas]

I don’t see what the deal is with everyone whining about the reticles. I use the Mil c in a few scopes and I think it’s awesome. But that’s me I guess

Awesome is quite a stretch, for hunting at least. I have (3) Mil-C reticles and (1) MIL-R and for hunting the MIL-R is noticeably better, but not perfect. These are all FFP.

 

[The Harbor Master]

It’s not. Each reticle costs about $6,000 to get the first one put in a scope.

You cannot just take a lens from one scope and put it in another just because they are both 30mm. Each reticle must be designed for, and made for each specific scope erector and model.

I am admittedly a novice compared to most WKR on this forum, so I learned something today. I had no idea this was the case. Makes a little more sense as to why some reticle are available in model A, but not model B, even if both models are FFP & 30mm. I naively thought the erector mechanics would move any reticles the same "distance," in the same manner... making "cut and paste" of reticles possible.

Thanks.

 

[Wrench]

It would be interesting if they had some non etched lenses that could be laser etched as desired.

My guess is that nobody wants to warrant a product that random people can get into and foul up.

 

[justin davis]

Awesome is quite a stretch, for hunting at least. I have (3) Mil-C reticles and (1) MIL-R and for hunting the MIL-R is noticeably better, but not perfect. These are all FFP.

Yea everyone has their preferences I guess. I much refer the center dot to the cross of the MIL R.

 

[Southern Lights]

When reticles were wire you could change them to an extent, and relatively cheaply.
What people are asking for is fantasy. Furthermore, it actually lessons the impact and potential for companies to do better reticles. Every time they get a pie in the sky email or comment, they get to say- “see, the market is ignorant and has no clue what they want”.

The post was tongue in cheek of a magic ideal. NF has heard enough feedback on FFP reticles and they don't think it's what people want and maybe they're right because I don't have the data. But, I suspect they aren't. I think there is need for this hybrid hunter category. Mostly short range hunting shots at low power with high visibility, but need for a reticle that can go longer when needed but it's not the priority.

People give Leupold grief, but the Leupold TMR reticle is OK. Simple mil with half hashes. Stadia you can see OK.

I still own a 3.5-15 NXS with MLR 2.0 reticle and it's fine (ok the stadia should be solid not the hollow bars but still OK). It's not like NF can't do these things. They just don't think it's a priority.

Anyway, I look forward to the Rokscope with a usable FFP reticle. The NX6 2-12 looks awesome in all regards, but the reticle is just a killer and I'm not particularly picky. I just want something that can work at lower powers but extends to longer ranges on occassion.