New Rifle Build- Bullet and Caliber- Mono metal- Thoughts?

[ropeup79]

The Swede in my books can get 2850+ with 120gr bullet and 2750ish w/ 140 gr at only 50-55k psi. Load it to 60k in a modern action and it’s even better. It’s medium length cartridge so you have lots of room to seat long bullets out in a Tikka. I’m surprised it’s not more popular.

Edited to add that on your chart the Swede’s case capacity is closer to the 6.5x284 than the CM or 260. Some manuals neuter it to be safe in old Mausers.

 

[WI-Carcosa]

The Swede in my books can get 2850+ with 120gr bullet and 2750ish w/ 140 gr at only 50-55k psi. Load it to 60k in a modern action and it’s even better. It’s medium length cartridge so you have lots of room to seat long bullets out in a Tikka. I’m surprised it’s not more popular.

Agreed. 135g DRTs are going 2740 fps out of my t3 Swede 19” barrel.

 

[SDHNTR]

You are over obsessing and intentionally looking for unnecessary nits to pick!

Realize that the mindset from guys like Form/Unknown is on one end of the spectrum and thoughts from Barnsness’ are way over on the other end. I wouldn’t take either one as gospel. Form is new school, data driven, and tactical minded. Barsness is old school, has decades of hunting experience and has ideas steeped in Fuddlore, yet his stuff is not without value. Find your best answers out of something in the middle.

If you want to keep the long action and not use a bolt stop. The 6.5-06 is the easy button and will have to best performance. You likely won’t shoot enough to wear out the barrel, but if you do, it’s an easy and relatively inexpensive fix to spin on a new one. If you like nostalgia and value cool factor, the Swede is bad ass and can be pushed in modern actions much faster than books indicate due to old Mauser mil surp actions still in use. You can blow the doors off a Creed/.260, yet not quite match a 6.5-06. It’s a simple matter of case capacity.

Stop thinking and start doing.

 

[JGRaider]

You are over obsessing and intentionally looking for unnecessary nits to pick!

Realize that the mindset from guys like Form/Unknown is on one end of the spectrum and thoughts from Barnsness’ are way over on the other end. I wouldn’t take either one as gospel. Form is new school, data driven, and tactical minded. Barsness is old school, has decades of hunting experience and has ideas steeped in Fuddlore, yet his stuff is not without value. Find your best answers out of something in the middle.

Stop thinking and start doing.

HIs value is having 50+ years of experience knowing exactly what works and doesn't work. BTW, it's Barsness.

 

[amassi]

For reference Barnes factory ammo 6.5 Creedmoor 127 LRX @ 245 yards.

Not the bullet I would choose
Think about the
Hammers or Mcguire ballistics

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You realize that’s what 70% of the hammer bullet looks like once it sheds its petals?


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[SDHNTR]

HIs value is having 50+ years of experience knowing exactly what works and doesn't work. BTW, it's Barsness.

I agree. Yet some of his thoughts could use some modernization too.

In this Internet age, where information is no longer vetted prior to being published, I think one of the most important life skills is the ability to discern BS from informative value. There’s lots of both on this site. And sometimes, both come from the same source. I’ve learned from both schools of thought and do not fully dismiss, nor blindly subscribe, to either side.

 

[HandgunHTR]

If it were me and I didn't already have multiple rifles to fit into the category that you are trying to fill (minus the mono bullets for me), I would be building either a 6.5-06 to shoot the 120-131 grain Hammers, or a 280AI to shoot the 130-145 grain Hammers. With the 6.5-06, you have the advantage of using the brass you already have from the 30-06. With the 280AI, you get a bit more powder capacity.

The 6 Creed is a fine choice as well and I would just leave the long action bolt stop in it, buy a couple of M+ magazines and rock on.

 

[ericacymcdonald]

I know there's a lot of hate for the .270 due to the slower twist rates but I really think it's a whole new cartridge if you using monos. Every copper bullet manufacturer has tons of options for fast or slow twist rifles. Plus during covid components were still available, last year I sold my .280ai and built a fast twist .270 due to living in California and don't regret it at all