New developments coming this summer

[Refugium]

Don't size-up for puffy. It will layer well in your standard size.

We do have some proto puffy pants from Brigham, which we will be testing more this fall.

Can't wait for puffy season!

 

[ezwy]

Anyone else wishing they were releasing the pants in the lightweight fabric that Steve mentioned people would be worried about the durability? I've been on the hunt for the lightest, most vented pant with integrated belt. I'm always shocked how few integrated belt pants there are on the market, even from brands that claim to be built for backcountry hunting. So far, the First Lite Trace has been the best I've found.

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Might want to just try their existing satu pants.

 

[Brigham @ Outdoor Vitals]

Might want to just try their existing satu pants.

These are lighter weight than the Satu pants. In relation to the first pair Steve referenced in the podcast, these are the same weight but because of how the fabric is made, they have a more substantial feel. This fabric is 175 gram per square meter for your reference. You can use that number and look for it when comparing lightweight fabrics in your shopping. Hope that helps.

 

[woods89]

I listened to the podcast the other day, sounds like you all have some really good things going! The pants sound great, maybe a replacement for the Kuiu Attacks that I currently wear at a better price point.

I listened with interest to the mid layer discussion. I feel like I must be an outlier in this, but from what I heard the mid layer will not be a good fit for me, as someone who overheats really easily. Unless hiking quite leisurely, I can generally do just fine with an OR Echo baselayer and a BD Alpine Start windshirt, unless it's really, really cold. I do have an OR Ascendant (Alpha Direct), but it's relegated to moving slowly or as a layer under my down jacket when static.

My dream midlayer is medium grid fleece on the sleeves, hood, and side panels, and nylon windshirt fabric on the torso front and back. If I'm moving, I almost always have a backpack on, and generally a bino harness, and with garments that have continuous insulation under both areas I wind up with big sweaty areas. I actually took a medium Columbia fleece a few years ago, cut a big hole in the back, and sewed in mesh in the area under my pack. It actually worked really well, although it had to be quite cold to need it over the baselayer/windshirt combo.

The dream midlayer I described above would keep arms warm and let me warm my head up if I get cold, and I think would keep everything else regulated quite well. Might only apply to a few of us, though.

 

[coacht84]

I listened to the podcast the other day, sounds like you all have some really good things going! The pants sound great, maybe a replacement for the Kuiu Attacks that I currently wear at a better price point.

I listened with interest to the mid layer discussion. I feel like I must be an outlier in this, but from what I heard the mid layer will not be a good fit for me, as someone who overheats really easily. Unless hiking quite leisurely, I can generally do just fine with an OR Echo baselayer and a BD Alpine Start windshirt, unless it's really, really cold. I do have an OR Ascendant (Alpha Direct), but it's relegated to moving slowly or as a layer under my down jacket when static.

My dream midlayer is medium grid fleece on the sleeves, hood, and side panels, and nylon windshirt fabric on the torso front and back. If I'm moving, I almost always have a backpack on, and generally a bino harness, and with garments that have continuous insulation under both areas I wind up with big sweaty areas. I actually took a medium Columbia fleece a few years ago, cut a big hole in the back, and sewed in mesh in the area under my pack. It actually worked really well, although it had to be quite cold to need it over the baselayer/windshirt combo.

The dream midlayer I described above would keep arms warm and let me warm my head up if I get cold, and I think would keep everything else regulated quite well. Might only apply to a few of us, though.

I'm in the same boat. I've never been able to hike in anything that is insulated. I'd like something similar to what you described, maybe with big pit zips as well.

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[coacht84]

These are lighter weight than the Satu pants. In relation to the first pair Steve referenced in the podcast, these are the same weight but because of how the fabric is made, they have a more substantial feel. This fabric is 175 gram per square meter for your reference. You can use that number and look for it when comparing lightweight fabrics in your shopping. Hope that helps.

Thanks for the info. Any chance you will offer a bundle deal for all 3 items? I have a feeling a lot of Roksliders will want all 3 items.

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[woods89]

I'm in the same boat. I've never been able to hike in anything that is insulated. I'd like something similar to what you described, maybe with big pit zips as well.

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Yes sir. I've had to come to grips with arms and ears being a bit cold in order to get to where I'm going without being all sweaty.

The idea of a piece with mesh or thin nylon under the pack and bino harness has been discussed here before. Maybe the concept would be hard to get people to buy? I don't know.

 

[Formidilosus]

Yes sir. I've had to come to grips with arms and ears being a bit cold in order to get to where I'm going without being all sweaty.

The idea of a piece with mesh or thin nylon under the pack and bino harness has been discussed here before. Maybe the concept would be hard to get people to buy? I don't know.

I’ve been pushing for this for more than a decade. It is being worked on, not this year, but there will be something.

 

[woods89]

I’ve been pushing for this for more than a decade. It is being worked on, not this year, but there will be something.

Sounds good, it needs to happen!

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Whatever fabric Fabletics uses in their O2 shirt would be great for that. I can sweat like crazy and 10 minutes later that shirt is bone dry.

 

[grahambiel]

Sounds good, it needs to happen!

Totally agree. Basically the opposite of a vest. I’m probably gonna try the OV midlayer but it’s still not the perfect piece for us guys that run hot

 

[evergreenfrenzy]

The pockets are angled, but it's pretty moderate, not steep. Haven't had any reports of pocket items falling out. This is from a dozen testers, and hundreds of days afield. Prototype pictured below. View attachment 888823

How many (external) belt loops does the pant have? Do you have any pictures of the back of the pant that shows the rest of the belt loops and their location?

Just asking out of curiosity for when I use a stiff carry belt and carry a pistol OWB without a pack. I understand it's probably not many due to the primary design of wearing a backpack hip belt over the pant while using the internal belt, but the belt loops do look beefier than what I had expected which is appreciated.

I'm not a huge fan of my current hunting pant, the KUIU Attack, but the number/size/location of its belt loops (8) is great for carrying a pistol OWB. In contrast, my Prana Brion pant is great for when wearing a backpack but doesn't work well when carrying a pistol OWB (5 belt loops, that aren't nearly as sturdy and are located in non-ideal spots).

I'm hoping that this pant fits both scenarios a bit better, as everything else about it I am super excited about!

 

[K_pem]

Anyone else wishing they were releasing the pants in the lightweight fabric that Steve mentioned people would be worried about the durability? I've been on the hunt for the lightest, most vented pant with integrated belt. I'm always shocked how few integrated belt pants there are on the market, even from brands that claim to be built for backcountry hunting. So far, the First Lite Trace has been the best I've found.

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My exact thoughts when listening to that. I want something lighter or as light as the Kutana, not heavier.

 

[K_pem]

I’ve been pushing for this for more than a decade. It is being worked on, not this year, but there will be something.

Something like a Sitka Core LW torso with Core HW arms would be interesting. Id take something like this and layer my Ambient Vest over it as needed.

 

[Roor]

My exact thoughts when listening to that. I want something lighter or as light as the Kutana, not heavier.

At 175 gsm it sounds like they are comparable to the Kutanas which are 180 gsm... Attacks are 247 gsm.

 

[K_pem]

At 175 gsm it sounds like they are comparable to the Kutanas which are 180 gsm... Attacks are 247 gsm.

Yeah I was only referencing what testers have said, that they run slightly warmer

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Has anyone tried the prototype pants that has either Kuiu Kutanas, FL Corrugate Guide pants, or Wrangler ATG? Wondering how the cut around the thighs/rear end are compared to those.

I've had to ship back several FL and Kuiu pants that hugged my thighs like skinny jeans.

 

[Brigham @ Outdoor Vitals]

Link isn't working for me

Shoot, I don't know why it wouldn't be working. When I click on the link in your comment it takes me straight to it. Let's try these 2 options.

OV Mountain Pursuit Line

Mountain Pursuit Line Optin

outdoorvitals.com

 

[Ferrulewax]

Shoot, I don't know why it wouldn't be working. When I click on the link in your comment it takes me straight to it. Let's try these 2 options.

OV Mountain Pursuit Line

Mountain Pursuit Line Optin

outdoorvitals.com

It wasn’t working at the time, but works fine now

 

[V2Pnutrition]

Has anyone tried the prototype pants that has either Kuiu Kutanas, FL Corrugate Guide pants, or Wrangler ATG? Wondering how the cut around the thighs/rear end are compared to those.

I've had to ship back several FL and Kuiu pants that hugged my thighs like skinny jeans.

I have the prototypes and the FL Corrugate Guides....and the Wrangler ATG.

The prototypes are much more generous and comfy around the thighs and rear end compared to FL and Wranglers. I gave up on the Wranglers long ago for this very reason. With that said, they taper at the leg enough to get around a pair of boots without it feeling like you have a pair of Jnco's on either...

Here's several pictures from last year (some have the background cropped out to protect the location- sorry for the weird image).

The last image shows a some elastic at the back. That made them even more comfortable than my Prana's, yet I never found the belt to get bound up in the elastic section. Arrow pointing to the vents.

The second image shows the cut and taper a little more.

The final four are some additional views and the thigh pocket (cell pocket inside).

To those wondering about the material and warmth: the two most profound things that stood out to me were (1) how well they blocked wind and (2) how well they balanced a range of temps. If I did get warm, I'd open the vents up.

When hiking out in Alaska in September I thought "these are comfy enough to sleep in, but tough enough for Alaska..."

I have every intention of buying another set of everything as soon as OV launches them.