New Colorado gun laws..

[FOS373]

Been in CO for 30 years this fall. we are looking to get out.

 

[unclericco]

Well except when the catchable grade blue fin tuna are going off, as in right now. I got four in the 65 lbs. range in the last two weeks.

Are you eating them? I'm Jelly....

 

[Newtosavage]

How California of him. City by city rules are going to catch unsuspecting law abiding citizens.

Sounds like freedom to me. Local rule and no big government. That's as conservative as it gets man.

 

[OldGrayJB]

Sounds like freedom to me. Local rule and no big government. That's as conservative as it gets man.

Except the locals aren't allowed to have gun laws that are less strict than the state wide laws. Doesn't sound like freedom to me.

 

[granite7]

Sounds more and more like Illinois to me. Chicago (Denver) shot hole rules the rest of the state. Get ready to sign up for your FOID card next. Then, you’ll be required to keep a record for 20 years of the FFL transfer dealer you used when you sold a firearm. The PERA countdown can’t come soon enough. Sadly I’m stuck here until then.

 

[Newtosavage]

Except the locals aren't allowed to have gun laws that are less strict than the state wide laws. Doesn't sound like freedom to me.

But they are free to make their own, more restrictive rules if they want.

Right wingers like freedom until someone chooses something they don't like. LOL

 

[realunlucky]

But they are free to make their own, more restrictive rules if they want.

Right wingers like freedom until someone chooses something they don't like. LOL

That's your logic-- freedom can only make it more restrictive

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[Newtosavage]

That's your logic-- freedom can only make it more restrictive

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Freedom also includes people choosing more restrictive rules for their community.
Same is true with government. Right-wingers are actually fine with government restrictions so long as they agree with them. LOL

 

[realunlucky]

Freedom also includes people choosing more restrictive rules for their community.
Same is true with government. Right-wingers are actually fine with government restrictions so long as they agree with them. LOL

They are not "FREE" to choose to less restrictive measures so it's not "FREEDOM" .

I will agree that government involvement approval tends to appeal to those that benefit the most from it.

 

[Rob5589]

Sounds like freedom to me. Local rule and no big government. That's as conservative as it gets man.

I don't think that word means what you think it means...

 

[Newtosavage]

They are not "FREE" to choose to less restrictive measures so it's not "FREEDOM" .

I will agree that government involvement approval tends to appeal to those that benefit the most from it.

Yea, actually they are free to do so. That's what freedom means. You can choose to have a community with more restrictive laws.

Or would you rather dictate to each community what they can and cannot allow? That doesn't sound like freedom to me.

The opposite of that is forcing a community to accept things they don't want.

 

[gelton]

Yea, actually they are free to do so. That's what freedom means. You can choose to have a community with more restrictive laws.

Or would you rather dictate to each community what they can and cannot allow? That doesn't sound like freedom to me.

The opposite of that is forcing a community to accept things they don't want.

Did you just use the words freedom and restrictive in the same sentence when referring to an individual right like the 2nd amendment? In a republic, the majority cannot vote to restrict the rights of the individual.

Sure, those words can be used in the same sentence when speaking of restricting speed limits or restricting sound ordinances but restricting rights that are enshrined in the constitution is something different altogether and the antithesis of freedom.

This is why I said early on that the only solution here is in the courts and I have a feeling that when that happens you will see where you are wrong on this one...but may still have problems accepting it.

Supreme Court: Gun Ownership an Individual Right

In a 5-4 vote Thursday, the U.S. Supreme Court declared for the first time that the Second Amendment to the Constitution guarantees the right of individual Americans to keep and bear arms. The court said gun ownership is an individual right, not connected with military service, and that it can...

www.npr.org

 

[Newtosavage]

Did you just use the words freedom and restrictive in the same sentence when referring to an individual right like the 2nd amendment? In a republic, the majority cannot vote to restrict the rights of the individual.

Sure, those words can be used in the same sentence when speaking of restricting speed limits or restricting sound ordinances but restricting rights that are enshrined in the constitution is something different altogether and the antithesis of freedom.

This is why I said early on that the only solution here is in the courts and I have a feeling that when that happens you will see where you are wrong on this one...but may still have problems accepting it.

Supreme Court: Gun Ownership an Individual Right

In a 5-4 vote Thursday, the U.S. Supreme Court declared for the first time that the Second Amendment to the Constitution guarantees the right of individual Americans to keep and bear arms. The court said gun ownership is an individual right, not connected with military service, and that it can...

www.npr.org

You'd make a crappy Wyatt Earp. LOL

I respect the right of a community to make their own rules.

 

[gelton]

You'd make a crappy Wyatt Earp. LOL

I respect the right of a community to make their own rules.

Keyword - commune. If there is one thing I will give you it's that the left is much better at community organizing than the right....communism is their religion.

States like California and NY have been doing this for decades and people are leaving in droves, wonder why?

 

[Newtosavage]

Keyword - commune. If there is one thing I will give you it's that the left is much better at community organizing than the right....communism is their religion.

States like California and NY have been doing this for decades and people are leaving in droves, wonder why?

Don't be jealous. LOL

But just wait. Give it 5-10 more years and you'll be wanting to bail from central Texas. It's just a matter of time.

 

[gelton]

Don't be jealous. LOL

But just wait. Give it 5-10 more years and you'll be wanting to bail from central Texas. It's just a matter of time.

I'll agree with you there...but the market has spoken and it is clear:

Renting a U-Haul to move out of California can be 4 times more expensive than moving in due to high demand

 

[Rob5589]

Yea, actually they are free to do so. That's what freedom means. You can choose to have a community with more restrictive laws.

Or would you rather dictate to each community what they can and cannot allow? That doesn't sound like freedom to me.

The opposite of that is forcing a community to accept things they don't want.

Actually, they aren't. They can be more restricted but not less than the state has set forth. Again, that isn't freedom, that is allowing 271 different interpretations of gun rights. Now, if a city was allowed to say all gun laws are moot, then I would agree with your freedom take. Here is the law;

 

[def90]

You'd make a crappy Wyatt Earp. LOL

I respect the right of a community to make their own rules.

They can’t though, a community does not have the ability to remove all gun rules if they wish so this is not freedom in the sense that you are trying to claim. There are communities in Colorado that would love to do this if they were free to do it.. but they can’t.

 

[riversidejeep]

I wonder if soon the same will happen to our other RIGHTS, like the 1rst amendment rights being set by your little city council. People had better start waking up, quick like.

 

[Newtosavage]

Big government backs off and allows cities to make their own rules and right-wingers lose their minds. LOL You can't make this stuff up.