New cartridge and can’t decide.

[Badlandoutdoors]

I’m in the market for a new cartridge. I’m really considering a 6 creed or a 25 creed. Would be used as a hunting rifle and training. Currently working on getting more proficient at distances beyond 300.


I know there is a lot that goes into a decision but which cartridge would you pick between the two?

I really like the 6 creed for the lower recoil but I really like the 25 creed for a larger grain bullet.

Ideally I would like this in an 18-20” barrel and will be shooting suppressed.


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[wyosam]

I’m in the market for a new cartridge. I’m really considering a 6 creed or a 25 creed. Would be used as a hunting rifle and training. Currently working on getting more proficient at distances beyond 300.


I know there is a lot that goes into a decision but which cartridge would you pick between the two?

I really like the 6 creed for the lower recoil but I really like the 25 creed for a larger grain bullet.

Ideally I would like this in an 18-20” barrel and will be shooting suppressed.


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Good news- it doesn’t matter. Just pick one and go with it.


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[hereinaz]

Flip a coin. There isn’t much difference. If you want a heavier bullet go for the 25 creed.

The edge goes to 6mm for the reduced recoil and external ballistics, because the difference in terminal performance doesn’t matter for effectiveness.

I wouldn’t go more than 18”, no need for more velocity.

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

There is no wrong answer. Both have excellent trajectories, light recoil, and have great bullets available for hunting. Moreover, they both carry enough velocity for terminal expansion way out there...

If you're not a handloader, I would lean towards the 6cm due to more factory ammo options and availability.
Other than this their performance is so similar its mostly personal preference.

 

[Badlandoutdoors]

Flip a coin. There isn’t much difference. If you want a heavier bullet go for the 25 creed.

The edge goes to 6mm for the reduced recoil and external ballistics, because the difference in terminal performance doesn’t matter for effectiveness.

I wouldn’t go more than 18”, no need for more velocity.

Thank you. I appreciate the response


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[Badlandoutdoors]

There is no wrong answer. Both have excellent trajectories, light recoil, and have great bullets available for hunting. Moreover, they both carry enough velocity for terminal expansion way out there...

If you're not a handloader, I would lean towards the 6cm due to more factory ammo options and availability.
Other than this their performance is so similar its mostly personal preference.

That’s my dilemma. Both feel like the right choice. Maybe I’m thinking about this wrong. Maybe I just buy both. Haha


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[CJ_BG]

The 6 will do whatever the 25 will, as of right now the 6s have more options for bullets, and there's obviously the extra factory ammo if that's relevant.

If Steve and Justin from exo can kill 2 60" bulls in alaska with a 108 eld-m in a 6 then I don't see what else you would want the rifle to do.

 

[Kaleb]

Well now since we’re talking about two rifles setup a 6 Dasher and a 25 creedmoor the same way. Easy spending money for other people…grin.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

What bullet(s) do you want to shoot? How far do you want to shoot that bullet? How do you want that bullet to perform when it gets there?

Why do you want a heavier bullet?


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[TxLite]

If you don’t hand load I’d get the 6 creed. If you do, then neither is wrong but the 6mm will have more options for bullets

 

[RockAndSage]

Barnes, Federal, Sig, Nosler, and Hornady all have factory offerings for 6mm CM. Right now, it's really only Hornady offering factory .25 Creed. Especially if you're not handloading yet, you'll just have more options in general, both in manufacturers and different bullets from each.

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

If you handload, in 25 cal you have the following popular bullets and others I didn't mention. The top end of the 6mm category is 115, and all of the 6mm 115 and below will have slightly better BCs than the 25s if that matters to you.

• Nosler BT-100
• Nosler Partition-100
• Sierra GMK-100
• Sierra SMK-100
• Nosler AB-110
• Hornady ELDX-110
• Sierra GMK-110
• Berger VLD-115
• Nosler BT-115
• Nosler Partition-115
• Hornady Interlock-117
• Sierra GMK-117
• Nosler Partition-120
• Hornady ELDX-128 (some day)
• Sierra SMK-131
• Berger Elite Hunter-133
• Hornady ELDM-134
• Berger LRHT-135
• Hornady A-Tip-138
• Black Hole-145

I'm less familiar with the 6mm/.243 offerings, but lots of guys shoot Nosler 95 BT, 108 ELDM, and 115 DTACs. There are many, many, other 6mm options in between.

 

[bojangles808]

Less recoil and more bullets/available factory ammo. Id go 6 creed

 

[StupidLightweight]

Unless you're a quarter bore nut or just want to be different, the wise choice is 6 Creed.

 

[TaperPin]

I’m in the market for a new cartridge. I’m really considering a 6 creed or a 25 creed. Would be used as a hunting rifle and training. Currently working on getting more proficient at distances beyond 300.


I know there is a lot that goes into a decision but which cartridge would you pick between the two?

I really like the 6 creed for the lower recoil but I really like the 25 creed for a larger grain bullet.

Ideally I would like this in an 18-20” barrel and will be shooting suppressed.


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I’d vote the 6 creed a better trainer and the 25 or 6.5 a better hunting round. There are so many benefits to having two accurate rifles, even if they are the same cartridge. Time after time someone is troubleshooting what might be a rifle problem and the second rifle makes ruling out the shooter as the issue as easy as shooting the second gun. If it’s not the shooter a second scope is available to swap. If one rifle is completely out of order the second is there to step in.

 

[nm.otter]

The top end of the 6mm category is 115, and all of the 6mm 115 and below will have slightly better BCs than the 25s if that matters to you.

.25 cal
134gr ELD-M G1 .645
128gr ELD-X G1 .633

6mm
109gr ELD-X G1 .585
108gr ELX-X G1 .536
Does someone have figures for the 115 DTACs? I don't see any BC figures on Tubb's website.
The forthcoming 117gr S2H special has the potential to change the game here.

 

[UnckleBob]

Flip a coin. There isn’t much difference. If you want a heavier bullet go for the 25 creed.

The edge goes to 6mm for the reduced recoil and external ballistics, because the difference in terminal performance doesn’t matter for effectiveness.

I wouldn’t go more than 18”, no need for more velocity.

This. The 6 CM is more available right now.

 

[hereinaz]

W

.25 cal
134gr ELD-M G1 .645
128gr ELD-X G1 .633

6mm
109gr ELD-X G1 .585
108gr ELX-X G1 .536
Does someone have figures for the 115 DTACs? I don't see any BC figures on Tubb's website.
The forthcoming 117gr S2H special has the potential to change the game here.

When you look at ballistics of those bullets, even with the higher BC, it takes more powder to really get the max benefit of the 25 cal high BC with more velocity. But, I am talking about beyond 600 yards.

I run a 25 short mag with the 133 Berger and love it. My 6 creed with sameish barrel length comes close to it ballistically to 600. My 22 creed gets more speed to start approaching the 25 cal short mag.

My point is inside 500 yards it’s of no practical consequence. They are identical to me, just that the 25 requires a bit more focus on recoil management.

 

[nm.otter]

Makes sense.

Guys I know shooting .25 Creedmoor either compete at 600+ or need to make Power Factor for NRL Hunter.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

.25 cal
134gr ELD-M G1 .645
128gr ELD-X G1 .633

6mm
109gr ELD-X G1 .585
108gr ELX-X G1 .536
Does someone have figures for the 115 DTACs? I don't see any BC figures on Tubb's website.

I am very excited to use that 134-grain ELDM in my 1:8” twist .25-06.

But despite that, my question remains, “why does the OP want a heavier bullet [than the 115-grain DTAC or the new Sierra 117-grain bullet]?

If I was starting my rifle collection over today, I would have a Tikka 6mm CM or .243 w/ 1:8” twist instead of my Tikka 6.5 CM.


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