Need help with tuning

[skyler_2010]

So I have been shooting a lot lately and am getting less than 2 inch groups out to 30 but I am consistently hitting right of my point of aim. I am shooting a hoyt rampage maxed out with 60lb limbs 30inch draw with un cut gold tip pro hunters 340 spine with 100 grain tips and the gto nocks and inserts. My question is, is this spine too weak causing the miss or is it my tune. I am super new to tuning and actually being accurate. I have no idea how paper tuning works or how to read it or how far back to be. Any help would be great

 

[Marine4life]

What you describe could be a couple different things. It could be as simple as your sight just needing to be adjusted or a bit more complex with center shot being off or you torquing the bow. Paper tuning is one way to get it close and check. I recommend you watch a couple you tube videos on it and give it a try. Another option is bare shaft tuning.


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[skyler_2010]

I forgot to add I am left handed too

 

[renagde]

Are you dead on at 20? If so, could be your axis on your sight needs to be leveled. Single or multi pin sight?

If it's a tuning issue, I would suggest trying string or modified french tuning. Youtube some videos on it, very easy to do with just a simple target. When tuning my bow, I'll usually start with either french tuning or bare shaft tuning then tweak that setup with broadhead tuning to get my broadheads flying just right.

 

[skyler_2010]

I am right at 20 as well it gets more and more pronounced as I go back which is expected. 3 pin Tru glow I think it is

 

[doverpack12]

Move your horizontal sight adjustment right one small line.

 

[ShortMountain91]

If you are dead on at 20 and right at 30 and more right at 40 then move your arrow rest a little and I mean very little to the left. This is what you do during walk back tuning

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[skyler_2010]

If you are dead on at 20 and right at 30 and more right at 40 then move your arrow rest a little and I mean very little to the left. This is what you do during walk back tuning

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I am right at 20 but more defined at longer I am aiming about an inch left at 20

 

[Creed28]

Follow your arrow with your sight, if your shooting right move sight to the right.

 

[Rob5589]

If your set up is correctly tuned, you need to establish a baseline. Usually that is 20 yards for most shooters. Get that 20 yd pin established and go from there. By the sound of it, a walkback tune sounds like it would benefit you. There are videos on it, super easy to do.

 

[joshdidthis]

Could be several things. I wouldn't move my rest just yet. Adjust your sight so it hits where you aim(slide the sight the to where the arrows hit, so the arrow hits left of aim, move sight left ect). Then check your tune. Your tune may be fine now so no point in throwing it off. A paper tune is probably the quickest way to check, but it doesn't always tell you everything and it can be frustrating if you get inconsistent tears.

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[MT257]

Like stated above, start at 20 and adjust your sight to the right until your consistently hitting center.Then move back, I would concentrate on proper form and technique before starting to tinker with walkback or French tuning.

 

[Elkoholick]

Google up "the nuts and bolts of archery" it will answer most all of your set up questions and will help with how to execute your shot and then some. It's a great read and will take your shot to another level. It's a lot to read but well worth it. Also You tube vids from guys like Tim Gillenham and John Dudley's "knock on tv" is great and his setup vids are demonstrated on Hoyts so it should seem familiar to you. Guys like this have forgotten more about archery than many of us will ever know and they put a ton of stuff ou there. As far as your spine being too week? I went through a lot of arrows, headache and money before I found about archery software like on target2, archers advantage etc... theres also a lot of good info on these but the arrow spine selector is worth the price alone. For spine selection I prefer Ontarget 2 once you get it going. Startup was a little goofy for me but very much worth it. I believe theres a seven or ten day free trial period.

 

[Piscatory_4]

If you have already moved your sight and are still shooting right, i would think it's 1-something you're doing when shooting, sight picture, follow through, etc. 2-arrow spine, 400 spine should work but if you have heavy points or bh it could be weak, or it's too heavy if you are using 300+ spine. 3-bow tune, need to move rest or cam alignment.

Went back and read original post and arrow seems ok, have you tried 125gr points?

Maybe fletching contact...

 

[NYSKIER]

If your set up is correctly tuned, you need to establish a baseline. Usually that is 20 yards for most shooters. Get that 20 yd pin established and go from there. By the sound of it, a walkback tune sounds like it would benefit you. There are videos on it, super easy to do.

This is definitely the way to go. If your form is decent I'd say maybe try a modified french tune. I do not think it is your arrows. Someone above mentioned fetching contact, do you have a whisker or a dropaway?

 

[skyler_2010]

This is definitely the way to go. If your form is decent I'd say maybe try a modified french tune. I do not think it is your arrows. Someone above mentioned fetching contact, do you have a whisker or a dropaway?

I have a qad dropaway. I was having some contact with the containment bar they put over the top but took that off long ago. After that I'm not sure.

If you have already moved your sight and are still shooting right, i would think it's 1-something you're doing when shooting, sight picture, follow through, etc. 2-arrow spine, 400 spine should work but if you have heavy points or bh it could be weak, or it's too heavy if you are using 300+ spine. 3-bow tune, need to move rest or cam alignment.

Went back and read original post and arrow seems ok, have you tried 125gr points?

Maybe fletching contact...

I have not moved my sight. I will probably get on that this weekend since I can't seem to remember to bring my tools home. I have not tried 125g tips yet. I was thinking I was on the weak side. I stuck an arrow in the tree the other night and dug it out with the hatchet and ended up nicking the end of the arrow and was gonna cut them all down probably an inch but looking at the spine chart for gold tip now I should be shooting a 300 spine anyways

 

[NYSKIER]

I have a qad dropaway. I was having some contact with the containment bar they put over the top but took that off long ago. After that I'm not sure.

I have not moved my sight. I will probably get on that this weekend since I can't seem to remember to bring my tools home. I have not tried 125g tips yet. I was thinking I was on the weak side. I stuck an arrow in the tree the other night and dug it out with the hatchet and ended up nicking the end of the arrow and was gonna cut them all down probably an inch but looking at the spine chart for gold tip now I should be shooting a 300 spine anyways

Just checked the gold tip chart as well and I change what I originally said, I think you could be a tad underspined as you mentioned. If you don't want to cut the arrows just yet I would try and check the sight first like you mentioned, then french/walkback tune if you are still hitting right. And after that if you are still hitting right then I would cut down the arrows. Have you tried to shoot a bareshaft? That's my favorite way to tune

 

[skyler_2010]

I did shoot a bareshaft once but to be honest I can't tell you what it did or what it meant

Just checked the gold tip chart as well and I change what I originally said, I think you could be a tad underspined as you mentioned. If you don't want to cut the arrows just yet I would try and check the sight first like you mentioned, then french/walkback tune if you are still hitting right. And after that if you are still hitting right then I would cut down the arrows. Have you tried to shoot a bareshaft? That's my favorite way to tune

 

[NYSKIER]

Shoot a couple shots using your best form and then either report back to us or look up a video or article to see what it is telling you. I learn a lot from shooting bare shafts. Just make sure to start shooting close at first and back up if you seem to be shooting straight. Like I said it doesn't work for everyone but bareshaft shooting works for me

 

[skyler_2010]

Shoot a couple shots using your best form and then either report back to us or look up a video or article to see what it is telling you. I learn a lot from shooting bare shafts. Just make sure to start shooting close at first and back up if you seem to be shooting straight. Like I said it doesn't work for everyone but bareshaft shooting works for me

I will do that soon. I did take a look at my arrows and found I do have some contact on the bottom fletchings with my rest.