National red flag law

[FLATHEAD]

Every school needs at least one battle hardened BadA**- Mf'er
with an M4 on duty during school hours.
I bet there are many who would even volunteer their time.

 

[browning2480]

Every school needs at least one battle hardened BadA**- Mf'er
with an M4 on duty during school hours.
I bet there are many who would even volunteer their time.

There appear to be lots of them on Rokslide so shouldn’t be an issue finding them to volunteer.

 

[BuzzH]

Its laughable that this is never brought up with all the shootings in Chicago, new York, California. No one cries for all the babies killed by abortion every day.
Or the root cause of all of these fatherless nut jobs from broken families committing these crimes. I dont think society really understands the damage that happens to these boys from not having a father or even a father figure in their life. You know to show them how to be a man and father. Sad place this world has become.

This is truly something...we're supposed to cry about all the "babies" killed by abortion on the one hand.

But then on the very next hand a rant about fatherless households, exactly the kind of situation a vast majority of these unwanted children will end up in.

Unbelievable...truly unbelievable.

 

[Wyobohunter]

This is truly something...we're supposed to cry about all the "babies" killed by abortion on the one hand.

But then on the very next hand a rant about fatherless households, exactly the kind of situation a vast majority of these unwanted children will end up in.

Unbelievable...truly unbelievable.

He blew my mind with that irony. I just couldn’t think of a nice simple way to point out the contradiction.

 

[Wyobohunter]

I see a lot of people saying they “dont know what to do” to prevent all this craziness besides what some (idiot) politicians are presenting, which is beating a dead horse.

Its actually really simple - prosecute people who commit crimes and make the sentences hurt. There is way too much drug culture, gang culture, and lack of strong families / communities. There is literally an incredible amount of young people who are absolute morons and either into one of two things - thug life, or being a gender bending freak show weirdo. They all learn it from their parent(s)/family/friends/tv/iphone, and Id wager most of them are using some sort of drugs. These people abuse the system for freebies, do very little work that contributes to society, and do not plan on ever being slightly more than a burden to everyone else.

These losers also vote, and they’re popping out kids faster than the smarter people. Solution??

Lock down the border so hard the cartels stop making money.
Death penalty for drug dealers.
Bring real science back to schools and society.
Prison for anyone teaching kids about gender ideologies in school.
Instant death for pedo’s.
End welfare and handouts.
Death penalty for corrupt politicians.
Gun laws?? Constitutional Carry.

Top all this off with some extremely secure elections and all of a sudden the freak clown world circus comes crashing down. Lower taxes and open up the economy (like Trump did year 1-2), and all of a sudden the middle class will thrive. Stability and certainty lends well to stable households so they dont have to worry about buying groceries and gas.

Kids who grow up around guns, playing violent video games, and hunting (me) turn out just fine when given a solid foundation of a good family, education and religious upbringing. We have a generation of uneducated know it alls raising some of the worst kids yet to be seen so none of this is surprising to me.

How do we start?? Get rid of every single politician in our way. If anyone has a better idea or more to add, Im all ears.

Wow man. I think you’d really enjoy living in a totalitarian regime somewhere. You said so many nonsensical things I can’t begin to address them. You are a shining example of what “conservatives” have become and you win the “most ridiculous rant of the week” award.

 

[Moserkr]

Wow man. I think you’d really enjoy living in a totalitarian regime somewhere. You said so many nonsensical things I can’t begin to address them. You are a shining example of what “conservatives” have become and you win the “most ridiculous rant of the week” award.

Not sure you understand what “totalian regime” means…. Coming from you, and considering I live in the clown world of CA, Ill take that as a compliment. I would be a liberal by wyoming standards and as you said a “conservative” by CA standards. Keep letting the youth decide what gender flavor of the week they are, glorify thug life, and normalize craziness - you get the world you see. Id like to see this bs stop.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Not sure you understand what “totalian regime” means…. Coming from you, and considering I live in the clown world of CA, Ill take that as a compliment. I would be a liberal by wyoming standards and as you said a “conservative” by CA standards. Keep letting the youth decide what gender flavor of the week they are, glorify thug life, and normalize craziness - you get the world you see. Id like to see this bs stop.

What is “totalian”? Maybe you could help me out with a definition. My dictionary seems to be broken.

Can you point out the connection between gender fluidity, thug life (whatever that is) and the current rash of mass murder, much of it at the hands of right wing extremists? I think I must be missing something.

If your definition of “crazy” actually means “different” well,… you sure seem different. Even differenter than me.

 

[Wvroach]

How exactly did we get to abortion and gender fluidity from a post about red flag laws?

 

[Wyobohunter]

How exactly did we get to abortion and gender fluidity from a post about red flag laws?

Good question. Apparently @Moserkr knows the secret connection. It probably started in the basement of a pizza parlor.

 

[Rich M]

Boy, we're going to need a lot more electric chairs, bigger prisons, and a much bigger army. You've got lot of killing and imprisoning to do.

The answer is simple. So tired of the revolving door legal system.

All we need is some rope. Cheap and reuseable.

This is truly something...we're supposed to cry about all the "babies" killed by abortion on the one hand.

But then on the very next hand a rant about fatherless households, exactly the kind of situation a vast majority of these unwanted children will end up in.

Unbelievable...truly unbelievable.

I don't see the connection.

Abortion is murder just the same as what happened to those kids. They even have live birth abortions in some places - give birth and throw it in the dumpster. Why would the pro-abortion folks care about a shooting? That's an oxymoron.

Then we have men & women who won't take the responsibility to raise a family. It's not connected. Killing babies vs being responsible.

How hard is it to use a rubber, take "the pill" or even "the morning after" pill? Instead we have govt funded Planned parenthood selling baby parts to the laboratories.

 

[Wyobohunter]

The answer is simple. So tired of the revolving door legal system.

All we need is some rope. Cheap and reuseable.


I don't see the connection.

Abortion is murder just the same as what happened to those kids. They even have live birth abortions in some places - give birth and throw it in the dumpster. Why would the pro-abortion folks care about a shooting? That's an oxymoron.

Then we have men & women who won't take the responsibility to raise a family. It's not connected. Killing babies vs being responsible.

How hard is it to use a rubber, take "the pill" or even "the morning after" pill? Instead we have govt funded Planned parenthood selling baby parts to the laboratories.

The revolving door legal system is a fallacy for the most part. We are the most imprisoned society among first world countries. A big part of that is the prison industrial complex, for profit institutions and the “tough on crime” actions that exploded during the early 80’s. Those actions didn’t reduce meaningful crime (where someone was harmed) but they did lock up a shitload of people for very minor infractions. Thanks again Reagan… and good riddance.

Not all conceptions should be carried to term. Same reason you suggest the “morning after pill”.

This topic has little to do with the subject of the thread aside from the simple fact that world would be a better place if some people were never brought into it.

 

[Yarak]

No matter the color of the flag the Dems are wanting to fly it will always lead to a deception of the worst kind

 

[displacedtexan]

The answer is simple. So tired of the revolving door legal system.

All we need is some rope. Cheap and reuseable.


I don't see the connection.

Abortion is murder just the same as what happened to those kids. They even have live birth abortions in some places - give birth and throw it in the dumpster. Why would the pro-abortion folks care about a shooting? That's an oxymoron.

Then we have men & women who won't take the responsibility to raise a family. It's not connected. Killing babies vs being responsible.

How hard is it to use a rubber, take "the pill" or even "the morning after" pill? Instead we have govt funded Planned parenthood selling baby parts to the laboratories.

Murder is defined as an illegal killing...

No where on earth has "live birth abortions"

 

[Wvroach]

The revolving door legal system is a fallacy for the most part. We are the most imprisoned society among first work countries. A big part of that is the prison industrial complex. for profit institutions and the “tough on crime” actions exploded during the early 80’s. Those actions didn’t reduce meaningful crime (where someone was harmed) but they did lock up a shitload of people for very minor infractions. Thanks again Reagan… and good riddance.

I disagree with the last part but this is a huge problem.

All prison does is make a better criminal 9 out of 10 times. We are punishing society for the crime not the criminal.

What good does it do to incarcerate someone for theft or tax evasion etc? Alternate punishment should be in order, restitution and some sort of productive labor. Don't put them in a 10x8 cell all day and expect them to be rehabilitated when they get out.

I can't tell you how many repeats I'd deal with within a year of release for the same thing they went in for before.

A lot of the drug crime is pleaded down so it looks less severe on paper. Usually someone convicted of possession pleaded guilty to avoid prosecution for over 500 grams with intent to distribute etc...

There I go derailing my own thread now.... Smh.

 

[Wyobohunter]

I disagree with the last part but this is a huge problem.

All prison does is make a better criminal 9 out of 10 times. We are punishing society for the crime not the criminal.

What good does it do to incarcerate someone for theft or tax evasion etc? Alternate punishment should be in order, restitution and some sort of productive labor. Don't put them in a 10x8 cell all day and expect them to be rehabilitated when they get out.

I can't tell you how many repeats I'd deal with within a year of release for the same thing they went in for before.

A lot of the drug crime is pleaded down so it looks less severe on paper. Usually someone convicted of possession pleaded guilty to avoid prosecution for over 500 grams with intent to distribute etc...

There I go derailing my own thread now.... Smh.

It’s good to see there are things we mostly agree on.

 

[Red Letters]

MSN

 

[Rich M]

Murder is defined as an illegal killing...

No where on earth has "live birth abortions"

All i know is what the news was reporting. Notvdure what state it is but made me sick to my stomach.

Why is it if a guy murders a pregnant lady it counts as a double homicide? Yet if she kills the baby, its not a homicide? Murder vs legal killing? Sounds wrong. Same desth.

 

[displacedtexan]

All i know is what the news was reporting. Notvdure what state it is but made me sick to my stomach.

Why is it if a guy murders a pregnant lady it counts as a double homicide? Yet if she kills the baby, its not a homicide? Murder vs legal killing? Sounds wrong. Same desth.

You need a different news source, because they were flat out lying.

I personally have moral issues with abortion. But words have meanings. Use them.

 

[Redmammut]

The term "Crazy" on this thread shows how ill-equipped this group is to be talking about mental health and firearms.

The sad truth is that these red flag laws are as much about mental health reform as they are about gun violence. Anxiety/Depression are epidemics, but shouldn't negate someone from owning a firearm.....unmanageable or undiagnosed Psychosis is another story. These illnesses have signs and symptoms, and are easily diagnosable by professionals. however individuals don' t seek out or actively resist intervention. Red Flag laws are tool for families or loved ones to intervene when a loved ones mental health deteriorates and there are firearms involved.

Here is an article about a friend of a friend, that would have benefited from court ordered intervention. https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/dean-cummings/

Thanks to the OP of this thread for raising this issue. I'll call my rep and support this bill. For those that want to contact their representation, The Bill number to reference is H.R. 2377, the Federal Extreme Risk Protection Order Act.

 

[Wvroach]

The term "Crazy" on this thread shows how ill-equipped this group is to be talking about mental health and firearms.

The sad truth is that these red flag laws are as much about mental health reform as they are about gun violence. Anxiety/Depression are epidemics, but shouldn't negate someone from owning a firearm.....unmanageable or undiagnosed Psychosis is another story. These illnesses have signs and symptoms, and are easily diagnosable by professionals. however individuals don' t seek out or actively resist intervention. Red Flag laws are tool for families or loved ones to intervene when a loved ones mental health deteriorates and there are firearms involved.

Here is an article about a friend of a friend, that would have benefited from court ordered intervention. https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/dean-cummings/

Thanks to the OP of this thread for raising this issue. I'll call my rep and support this bill. For those that want to contact their representation, The Bill number to reference is H.R. 2377, the Federal Extreme Risk Protection Order Act.

Here is a few links of people gunned down in their homes from thug cops enforcing red flag orders and a no knock when no crime was committed.

Family woes came before only red flag death in Md. - Baltimore Sun

Rip, Gary Willis

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/duncan-lemp-shooting-officer-not-charged/2020/12/31/46572a2c-3ba7-11eb-98c4-25dc9f4987e8_story.html

Rip- Duncan lemp

Some other fun facts about red flag laws, over 6500 have been enforced in the state of Florida alone. If you think your cops won't enforce them, might want to think again. Sadly most will value a paycheck over your freedoms.

Unless you are going to try and tell me all 6500 of those people were going to commit harm, and I'd expect the facts on that argument if you want to present them.

Crooked cops, pissed off ex's, mad family members, that neighbor you got in a argument with last month would never ever report they thought you were a scary person right?

I'll take dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery any day.