Mzl Hunter Pleads Not Guilty

[Htm84]

Jail is a means to get people isolated that are menaces to society.

In this particular instance, what good will jail time provide to anyone?

It would keep a retard out of the woods for a few years. That seems like a plus.

 

[mlgc20]

Jail is a means to get people isolated that are menaces to society.

In this particular instance, what good will jail time provide to anyone?

IMO, indiscriminately shooting a firearm and killing people fits easily within the definition of a menace to society.

 

[roadrunner]

It would keep a retard out of the woods for a few years. That seems like a plus.

So would removing their ability to hunt...

 

[roadrunner]

IMO, indiscriminately shooting a firearm and killing people fits easily within the definition of a menace to society.

Careless and reckless, yes. A menace, no. The civil suit for a wrongful death will take care of the restitution.

There is no debt to society that needs to be paid...

 

[Marble]

Jail is a means to get people isolated that are menaces to society.

In this particular instance, what good will jail time provide to anyone?

It is also meant as punishment for committing an act. There is the aspect of public safety, behavior change of the offender and what society feels is a just punishment. A balance of all three determine a sentence.

One of the reasons why crime has gone up over the last 10 years (in some areas) is because the politicians have forgotten this and start focusing on motivations other than what they should be.

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[Htm84]

So would removing their ability to hunt...

Hahaha right. I have a friend who got a dui right out of high school and hasn’t had a drivers license since. 20 years later he just got his 4th dui. The only time he wasn’t driving around was the year he spent in prison.

 

[DAOutfitters208]

Everyone calling for lengthy jail time needs to do some thinking on the matter. For people who are consistently in and out of trouble, yes a lengthy sentence can finally get them to turn their life around.

How long would it take for a normal person, to be separated from your family, with no contact, in a closet for 23 hrs, with no free will, to learn from your mistake?

 

[Wvroach]

Careless and reckless, yes. A menace, no. The civil suit for a wrongful death will take care of the restitution.

There is no debt to society that needs to be paid...

Im with you in general. Restitution should be made and depending on the crime the punishment should fit. 7x over for stealing etc, Incarceration does nothing but further the burden to the taxpayer.

13 lashes and on your way for a lot of petty crime seems preferable to 6 months in jail loss of income (assuming they were working) and state/federally funded institutions costing the taxpayer approx 60000 per inmate per year..

 

[mlgc20]

Careless and reckless, yes. A menace, no. The civil suit for a wrongful death will take care of the restitution.

There is no debt to society that needs to be paid...

I respectfully disagree. I don't want people out in society, who have so little regard for human life that they feel comfortable shooting their gun whenever they want. If you don't have jails for people who kill other people, then you might as well get rid of jails all together. Similar to the drunk who goes out and plows his car into others and kills them.

Having said all that. I trust our legal system (in general). If the process determines jail isn't warranted, then that is fine.

 

[Squincher]

Just for pleading "not guilty" after he's already admitted that he did it.........I'd tack on another 5 years mandatory jail time if I was the judge.

He will end up pleading guilty after they reach a plea agreement. The negotiations don't start until after a plea is entered. This is just part of the process, not necessarily a recantation of his confession.

 

[GSPHUNTER]

Not saying one way or the other about guilt or innocence, the courts will decide the issue. But this should be a lesson to all, if you are arrested or just being questioned by police, the first and only thing to say is, I want a lawyer, then shut up.

 

[Ratbeetle]

Careless and reckless, yes. A menace, no. The civil suit for a wrongful death will take care of the restitution.

There is no debt to society that needs to be paid...

I disagree. His poor judgement and complete lack of self control most certainly carries over to his other public interactions. Too bad we can't exile MFers anymore. I'd cast him out to the wolves.

 

[Justin Crossley]

Totally unrelated to the discussion but what always strikes me as odd in these situations is the fact it always seems like the person dies from the gunshot. If the offender really was shooting at noise in the brush how do they aim so effectively?

Seems there would be a lot of close calls and some wounded victims? I don't ever remember hearing about someone shooting at noise in the brush and almost hitting someone else or wounding someone else.

 

[Wvroach]

Totally unrelated to the discussion but what always strikes me as odd in these situations is the fact it always seems like the person dies from the gunshot. If the offender really was shooting at noise in the brush how do they aim so effectively?

Seems there would be a lot of close calls and some wounded victims? I don't ever remember hearing about someone shooting at noise in the brush and almost hitting someone else or wounding someone else.

Except for dick Cheney I can't remember any either, maybe they just don't get the coverage.

 

[GSPHUNTER]

Totally unrelated to the discussion but what always strikes me as odd in these situations is the fact it always seems like the person dies from the gunshot. If the offender really was shooting at noise in the brush how do they aim so effectively?

Seems there would be a lot of close calls and some wounded victims? I don't ever remember hearing about someone shooting at noise in the brush and almost hitting someone else or wounding someone else.

I woud venture to say the deaths are mainly the ones that make the news. I sure if the stats were to be checked there are way to many hunters being shot but survive their wounds. I would also venture to say he was shooting round with a weight of over 300gr. and that can do massive damage to, head heart, lungs, guts not to mention any of the main arteries. I remember years back during the gulf war a Navy seal was hit in the upper leg and died from the wound before they could get him out of the field, and those guys know how to treat the wounded.

 

[GSPHUNTER]

Except for dick Cheney I can't remember any either, maybe they just don't get the coverage.

Ya, VP's shooting someone tend to make the headlines. I was hit in the head by #6 birdshot, never made the evening news.

 

[LostArra]

I remember years back during the gulf war a Navy seal was hit in the upper leg and died from the wound before they could get him out of the field, and those guys know how to treat the wounded.

Physician in Oklahoma died while hunting alone from an accidental self-inflicted crossbow bolt / broadhead into his thigh.
Femoral artery wounds must cause some fast massive bleeding. I've never seen one occur but apparently you better have a tourniquet handy immediately.

 

[RMM]

I disagree. His poor judgement and complete lack of self control most certainly carries over to his other public interactions. Too bad we can't exile MFers anymore. I'd cast him out to the wolves.

Exactly what I was going to say. Someone that careless with a firearm is certainly careless in other aspects of life.

 

[5MilesBack]

Totally unrelated to the discussion but what always strikes me as odd in these situations is the fact it always seems like the person dies from the gunshot. If the offender really was shooting at noise in the brush how do they aim so effectively?

He said he "saw something white" and shot. Not sure why the bowhunter was wearing white, but a better question would be "what part of an elk did he think he was shooting at that's "white". On top of that, IIRC he had a ML bull tag in a unit with point restrictions. So not only did he not verify the species.......but also failed to verify the sex of the "perceived" elk, and he also ignored all point restriction rules. So this guy was careless and negligent in multiple respects. But as to why he was able to hit and kill the bowhunter.......I guess he had a clear picture of something white to aim at.

A few years ago there was a guy on the western slope that got hit with an arrow.......in the head. Luckily the BH deflected off the skull and just cut a large gash through his scalp. I can't remember whether they actually found the guy that fired that arrow or not.

 

[roadrunner]

It is also meant as punishment for committing an act. There is the aspect of public safety, behavior change of the offender and what society feels is a just punishment. A balance of all three determine a sentence.

Right. Due process of law is what it's really called.

I respectfully disagree. I don't want people out in society, who have so little regard for human life that they feel comfortable shooting their gun whenever they want. If you don't have jails for people who kill other people, then you might as well get rid of jails all together. Similar to the drunk who goes out and plows his car into others and kills them.

Having said all that. I trust our legal system (in general). If the process determines jail isn't warranted, then that is fine.

Except there are statutes in place for DUI/DWI. What is the outcome for someone target practicing and the ricochet of the bullet striking someone 500 yds away?

I disagree. His poor judgement and complete lack of self control most certainly carries over to his other public interactions. Too bad we can't exile MFers anymore. I'd cast him out to the wolves.

Speculation. You don't know for certainty of the lack of self control.

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