Most reliable and shootable 9mm semi auto pistols

[Lonewolf72]

In your experience with the sigs why do you think the 229 sao is not more popular since the trigger might be vastly better than a striker pistol?

I am liking the idea of the 365 fuse's size. The grip felt great and the longer barrel seems that it could help with accuracy. Basically a macro with a 0.6" longer barrel and a mag well

To be clear, all my classic P-series Sigs have DA/SA triggers. And I've had a lot of training with them. Can't say I've had any experience with SA classic Sigs. As far as the lack of popularity of the SAO 229...it wasn't accepted (as far as I know) for carry within federal law enforcement or military circles, and therefore no training doctrine was developed to support them. Popularity in the civilian world often tends to follow what military or LE does, even if not always the "best" equipment or methods.

I know we love to pick these topics apart on Rokslide, otherwise there wouldn't be much to talk about. But I wouldn't overthink this. Try a few out that have known quality/reliability and select the one that "trips your trigger" and fits your parameters. To me...most of the popular modern striker-fired pistols are pretty reliable and the best "bang for your buck". You've been "educated" by many on here...get one you have confidence in and start the process to become proficient. I believe using iron sights is a foundational skill. I'm "old school". Spend some time on that and explore RDS as you improve and become comfortable. Personally, as nice as they are, I wouldn't jump right to a Staccato. Training is going to trump equipment here. So spend that stack of cash you save on training ammo.

I think you are in SL Co. I'm in UT Co. If you want to try out a P365XL, SS MR920, DA/SA 226 or Walther PDP-F, we could probably arrange to meet somewhere so you can wring them out.

 

[Lonewolf72]

In your experience with the sigs why do you think the 229 sao is not more popular since the trigger might be vastly better than a striker pistol?

I am liking the idea of the 365 fuse's size. The grip felt great and the longer barrel seems that it could help with accuracy. Basically a macro with a 0.6" longer barrel and a mag well

I have no experience with a FUSE, but if you are looking for a high-cap version of a P365, this is probably the way to go, as you get 17-round mags standard. The question is how compact do you want to go? Also, you may want to consider the drop in velocity you get with shorter barrels if you intend to shoot the heavier 124-147 grain projectiles.

 

[HighUintas]

I have no experience with a FUSE, but if you are looking for a high-cap version of a P365, this is probably the way to go, as you get 17-round mags standard. The question is how compact do you want to go? Also, you may want to consider the drop in velocity you get with shorter barrels if you intend to shoot the heavier 124-147 grain projectiles.

Yes I'm in SL county. Thank you for the offer!

The fuse is mainly interesting to me for longer sight radius. I didn't think much of it at first, but when doing the math going from the XL to fuse, it's a 16%increase. That is significant, at least it I'm in terms of longrifles. I'm not too concerned about capacity.

 

[omicron1792]

Lol what? This is an asinine comparison.

But, okay, I’ll play along:

• You know you can’t fly taking off from the ground
• You know other humans can’t fly
• You can study anatomy to compare flying animals vs humans and see they’re different.

Thus, it would be dumb to think you could fly from a building and even dumber to test it.


This is fundamentally different than being able to take analytical data and extrapolate it to a viable hypothesi

What you said is the opposite of forming a scientific hypothesis. You always start with the null hypothesis that something doesn’t work.

Source: science.

 

[atmat]

What you said is the opposite of forming a scientific hypothesis. You always start with the null hypothesis that something doesn’t work.

Source: science.

1) It’s not always prudent to start with a null hypothesis.

2) Hypotheses should be rejected based up on evidence to the contrary.

Source: Ex-professor of a physical science (won’t say what branch so as not to dox myself)

 

[ztc92]

This has been a great discussion so far, thank you all for adding your thoughts. I have a Glock 19 and it’s okay but I struggle to shoot it well due to grip and trigger. Rather than modify the Glock, I think I’d prefer to get something smaller and with a manual safety for carrying in the outdoors. I’m leaning towards the p365XL at the moment but need to get hands on the new macro and fuse.

Similar to the questions about adding RDS to a carry pistol, where do you all land on adding weapon lights? Let’s say for these three common scenarios:
- Home defense
- Concealed carry in public / daily life
- Hiking / hunting in the backcountry

 

[Schmo]

A weapon light can be a great addition, but remember that you cannot use it for target ID, so you may still need a separate light.

 

[omicron1792]

1) It’s not always prudent to start with a null hypothesis.

2) Hypotheses should be rejected based up on evidence to the contrary.

Source: Ex-professor of a physical science (won’t say what branch so as not to dox myself)

Where is the evidence to the contrary to the null? @Thegman posted evidence to 9mm and up working.

if a scientist looked at this question, they would not start in the middle. The available data points toward larger calibers working and smaller not. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but that is where the study would start. The null would be 22wmr does not reliably stop bear attacks. This would be based on th evidence we have now. Someone would then need to prove it is a reliable cartridge for the job.

In the words of @Formidilosus, your last line is an appeal to authority fallacy. It really has no relevance on the conversation.

 

[Lawnboi]

This has been a great discussion so far, thank you all for adding your thoughts. I have a Glock 19 and it’s okay but I struggle to shoot it well due to grip and trigger. Rather than modify the Glock, I think I’d prefer to get something smaller and with a manual safety for carrying in the outdoors. I’m leaning towards the p365XL at the moment but need to get hands on the new macro and fuse.

Similar to the questions about adding RDS to a carry pistol, where do you all land on adding weapon lights? Let’s say for these three common scenarios:
- Home defense
- Concealed carry in public / daily life
- Hiking / hunting in the backcountry

Home defense I think a light is a reasonable addition.

Concealed carry, I don’t typically walk in the dark without some kind of light or in lit areas. I have a hard enough time concealing a pistol and making it bulkier is just going to make me want to carry it less.

Hunting if it’s dark my headlamp is on. Same as above, I don’t see it as necessary.

 

[Hydra6]

The Glock 19 is the easy choice for sure. However, I transitioned from the Glock family to S&W M&Ps 9mm a long time ago - Ilike the M&P trigger better. I carry a M&P 2.0 Compact with RDS daily and when time comes to out in the woods a M&P 2.0 9mm comes with me in a chest rig or a bino pouch.

 

[atmat]

Where is the evidence to the contrary to the null? @Thegman posted evidence to 9mm and up working.

Null = 22WSM doesn’t work
Contrary Evidence = works on comparable gel tests, have documentation that much worse 22LR has worked
Next Steps = Test it

It’s really not that hard to think through.

 

[omicron1792]

As a

Null = 22WSM doesn’t work
Contrary Evidence = works on comparable gel tests, have documentation that much worse 22LR has worked
Next Steps = Test it

It’s really not that hard to think through.

It’s not when you have no agenda or bias. No it’s not

No one. I mean no one. Would reject a null hypothesis on a bear attack based on gel testing. There would have to be lots of real world testing before that null would be discarded.

 

[atmat]

As a

It’s not when you have no agenda or bias. No it’s not

No one. I mean no one. Would reject a null hypothesis on a bear attack based on gel testing.

Fine — I’ll reject the null hypothesis right now. Therefore your statement is now wrong. Shocking given your propensity toward intelligence.

 

[HighUintas]

I was going to say the same thing. It seems guns and cartridgesnand sights have mostly been covered, but not lights.

My only thoughts on this application are for hunting.

I may have a headlamp on, but wouldn't it be easier to aim with a weapon light?

A scenario I can think of where I may not be wearing a headlamp is in the tent. I occasionally sleep in an open tarp shelter, so if I'm woken up by something that is obviously a predator, I wouldn't take the time to put the headlamp on and would just use the weapon light.

Thoughts?

 

[Skydog]

so if I'm woken up by something that is obviously a predator, I wouldn't take the time to put the headlamp on and would just use the weapon light.

How would you know that it is obviously a predator without shining a light on it? What if it is just your hunting partner, and you now have a loaded 9mm pointed at him (if you use your weapon light to ID the target)?

 

[justinspicher]

I’ve shot quite a few pistols and there more that I don’t like than I do and mainly due to how I hold a pistol. I didn’t get serious about a pistol until a few years ago and that was because it was for work. I’ve only used Glocks extensively enough to to have a biased opinion. What I do know is the bigger the pistol, the better I shoot it, consistently. I have also learned that the holster is more important than the pistol when it comes to concealment.

I have used mostly G19/17s and I’m currently using a G34.

I think I’m around 20-22k rounds between the three pistols I own and the only issue I’ve had is on the aftermarket trigger in my G17. I swapped that out quick.

I’m always told to look at getting a better pistol but I’m pretty stubborn and don’t really feel like starting over.

 

[NDGuy]

Glock
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[HighUintas]

I've found that there's been quite a few reports of ejection and feed issues with the fuse since it's release. I'm not sure why it would be different than the other models unless the slide length has something to do with it. I think I'd pass on that one for awhile

 

[Formidilosus]

I was going to say the same thing. It seems guns and cartridgesnand sights have mostly been covered, but not lights.

My only thoughts on this application are for hunting.

I may have a headlamp on, but wouldn't it be easier to aim with a weapon light?

A scenario I can think of where I may not be wearing a headlamp is in the tent. I occasionally sleep in an open tarp shelter, so if I'm woken up by something that is obviously a predator, I wouldn't take the time to put the headlamp on and would just use the weapon light.

Thoughts?

Yes, a pistol light.

People need to try randomly shooting with a headlamp, after hiking for 2-3 hours and then spontaneously needing to see, ID, and shoot quickly.

 

[omicron1792]

Yes, a pistol light.

People need to try randomly shooting with a headlamp, after hiking for 2-3 hours and then spontaneously needing to see, ID, and shoot quickly.

Such an easy thing to add a good light. Nice backup light for all situations really