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The fiber optic insert on my front sight covers the 10 ring and I can see some but enough of the 9 ring at 25 yards.
Most reliable and shootable 9mm semi auto pistols
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Thank you!The fiber optic insert on my front sight covers the 10 ring and I can see some but enough of the 9 ring at 25 yards.
Interested in this as well.
I have a TX22 that I shoot well and has been extremely reliable.
Ben Stoeger and Joel Park's books have some good drills: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Ben-Stoeger/author/B00AVNE7T6
I DEFINITELY need to do more pistol drill practice as my target shooting at/past 25 yards feels suspect. 30 round groups at 25 yards from a couple different pistols are averaging right around 6-7” and trending low (going to adjust sights).
What’s weird is when I still hunt the desert and have live reactive targets (rabbits and squirrels) my hit rates are quite high. These two at 17 yards and 23 yards were one shot kills this evening.
Federal 45 Grain Punch ammo slaps em pretty dang hard for a baby rimfire bullet…
Just wanting to attest what Form's saying here ...
Shot my first ever Bill Drill yesterday, using a 22LR in a DA/SA platform (starting in DA) - 2.7 seconds, all clean shots.
Does this include draw?Just wanting to attest what Form's saying here ...
Shot my first ever Bill Drill yesterday, using a 22LR in a DA/SA platform (starting in DA) - 2.7 seconds, all clean shots.
-J
My understanding is the Bill Drill includes draw. In one of Ben Stoeger's books, he suggests that its real value is actually in relation to draw speed (rather than shooting speed as such).
Edit: FWIW, I was told to aim for 2 seconds; I think his book gives 1.6 seconds as 'reasonable'.
I agree. The value to me is in keeping my grip honest in the draw. It’s easy to draw and fire once or twice with a sub par grip. Tracking recoil through 6 shots reveals issues with the master grip established at the holster.
-J
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CZ-USA Shadow 2 Carry 9mm 4" Bbl 15rd Optics-Ready Compact Pistol 91244 For Sale - EuroOptic
CZ-USA Shadow 2 Carry 9mm 4" Bbl 15rd Optics-Ready Compact Pistol 91244 For Sale
This is getting a lot of press today. Thoughts?
I don't know about anyone else, but for me - I appreciate the firing pin block, but wish it had a manual safety instead of the decocker.CZ-USA Shadow 2 Carry 9mm 4" Bbl 15rd Optics-Ready Compact Pistol 91244 For Sale - EuroOptic
CZ-USA Shadow 2 Carry 9mm 4" Bbl 15rd Optics-Ready Compact Pistol 91244 For Salewww.eurooptic.com
This is getting a lot of press today. Thoughts?
My guess is that the decocker is not only in response to customer feedback (as stated) but chasing the striker-fired market (or at least influenced by it).
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I agree, they should have kept the safety over the decocker. Other than that, I'm sure it will be a solid choice of you can get used to the first round 10lb trigger pull.
Next to 1911/2011's I have used the CZ 75 platform more than any other pistol for competition and tactical classes. Started with a basic 75 B, then graduated to an SP-01 and 97 B, then a Shadow and eventually a Shadow 2. Guessing somewhere around 100-125k rounds through them combined. Always sold the old ones to help fund the new one and sold the Shadow 2 during the "civil unrest" a few years ago and just haven't gotten around to buy one of the optic ready versions yet.
Only minor complaint over many thousands of rounds is how short the slide is due to the inner rails. And I really wish that they had an optic ready Shadow 2 with a 4" barrel and full size grip.
More minutiae and a dose of unscientific, and maybe irrelevant bullet testing:
I picked up a box of current Underwood 147 +p hardcast and they really have changed the bullet design. -Looks- like it would be about optimum as far as bullets available in factory ammo.
They have 72% - 73% meplat, the same % as the Hunter Supply 275, pretty much a Ranch Dog hunting bullet profile. Typical 147s FP profiles are around 60%, or even a little less. A lot of handgun hunters seem to think increasing meplat that much makes big difference terminally, IDK personally, but I imagine they're going to track in a straight line as well or better than anything else out there.
They're running over 1,100 fps from my Canik, but at least one case had a -small- bulge, so they seem to be pushing pressure. Even my hottest handloads have never done that, including lots of 147s at that velocity and the 158SWCs @ 1,050 fps in the same pistol. They seem to feed just fine.
L-R 275 Hunter Supply, Underwood 147, Acme 147, Penn 147, generic fairly soft 158SWC
For curiosity, I shot the bullets below into 6 pieces of a 2x6. They're lined up how they were found.
Gallant 147 stopped in #4. Federal 147 FMJ FP (about 1,000 fps load), Underwood 147 and 158SWC @ ~1,050 fps stopped in the 5th, in that order. Penn 147 stopped in #6. Acme 147 went through #6 and bounced off metal tank behind the wood blocks. All 147s besides the Federal load were a bit over 1,100 fps.
I don't think that means much, if anything, beyond that all will probably work pretty similarly, with the widest meplat probably making the biggest hole on their way through.
I have read that these heavy 158+ 9mm loads tend to be faster than one might think, and have softer recoil impulse than one would think. I'm finding both of those to be true. The 158s are still in my daily carry pistol for working and walking around my place, fwiw. I'll probably get some harder, wider meplat 158SWCs and try that for the time being. Pushing those to 950, maybe 1,000 fps, would be very easy and I think would work well.
I picked up a box of current Underwood 147 +p hardcast and they really have changed the bullet design. -Looks- like it would be about optimum as far as bullets available in factory ammo.
They have 72% - 73% meplat, the same % as the Hunter Supply 275, pretty much a Ranch Dog hunting bullet profile. Typical 147s FP profiles are around 60%, or even a little less. A lot of handgun hunters seem to think increasing meplat that much makes big difference terminally, IDK personally, but I imagine they're going to track in a straight line as well or better than anything else out there.
They're running over 1,100 fps from my Canik, but at least one case had a -small- bulge, so they seem to be pushing pressure. Even my hottest handloads have never done that, including lots of 147s at that velocity and the 158SWCs @ 1,050 fps in the same pistol. They seem to feed just fine.
L-R 275 Hunter Supply, Underwood 147, Acme 147, Penn 147, generic fairly soft 158SWC
For curiosity, I shot the bullets below into 6 pieces of a 2x6. They're lined up how they were found.
Gallant 147 stopped in #4. Federal 147 FMJ FP (about 1,000 fps load), Underwood 147 and 158SWC @ ~1,050 fps stopped in the 5th, in that order. Penn 147 stopped in #6. Acme 147 went through #6 and bounced off metal tank behind the wood blocks. All 147s besides the Federal load were a bit over 1,100 fps.
I don't think that means much, if anything, beyond that all will probably work pretty similarly, with the widest meplat probably making the biggest hole on their way through.
I have read that these heavy 158+ 9mm loads tend to be faster than one might think, and have softer recoil impulse than one would think. I'm finding both of those to be true. The 158s are still in my daily carry pistol for working and walking around my place, fwiw. I'll probably get some harder, wider meplat 158SWCs and try that for the time being. Pushing those to 950, maybe 1,000 fps, would be very easy and I think would work well.
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Some more shooting this morning. Tried to do some dry fire nearly every day the last week.
7 yd, not timed. For 10 rounds I tried target focus with fuzzy sights, which are nearly all outside the black . Doesn't work as well for me. All one eye sight focus are in the black.
25 yards, 5 rounds, not timed. One eye front sight focus
The FBI qual drill. Not good. I'm not sure the details of scoring but I counted cut line as the higher point. I also estimated the ones outside the ring as 5 or 6, but not sure if that's correct or if they should be 0. My hold was getting pretty shakey by the time I did this. I guess I need to do a lot more dry fire and get my hand and forearm endurance improved. The timing component also makes accuracy much harder. I did not time out on any. I'll try again soon taking a little more time in aiming.
120 depending on scoring
7 yd, not timed. For 10 rounds I tried target focus with fuzzy sights, which are nearly all outside the black . Doesn't work as well for me. All one eye sight focus are in the black.
25 yards, 5 rounds, not timed. One eye front sight focus
The FBI qual drill. Not good. I'm not sure the details of scoring but I counted cut line as the higher point. I also estimated the ones outside the ring as 5 or 6, but not sure if that's correct or if they should be 0. My hold was getting pretty shakey by the time I did this. I guess I need to do a lot more dry fire and get my hand and forearm endurance improved. The timing component also makes accuracy much harder. I did not time out on any. I'll try again soon taking a little more time in aiming.
120 depending on scoring
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That was interesting, thanks for sharing. My biggest concern with big meplats in semi-autos is feeding reliability. More of a concern out of .45 ACP, but it would still be big on my radar for any semi-auto. Any info on how they feed in your 9mm?
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Good question...I was thinking they were 0's. It's harder than it seems it should be, isn't it?
If scored same as rifle, line cutters count. 4x
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In that case I'll take an 89. It's got to be a record
. Yes it is hard. I'm going to do it cold next time and see what happens
No, at least not in a statistically significant way. That said, from cycling them, and the few that were cycled during actual shooting, they seem to feed as well as anything else so far, in the three pistols I tried them through. No signs of hanging up anywhere, at all.
I wouldn't have thought that 275 would feed as well as it does either, so I'm guessing it's not the concern (in most pistols) one might first think it would be. I got the idea for the 275s from someone else that was using them in 45ACP/Super and said they fed fine. That's what I found as well; I never had any feeding issues with them, at all.
The problem with most of these factory rounds is that it's over $1 a round to test them, so it's cost prohibitive to run 100s or more of them (or at least I'm cheap enough that it's cost prohibitive for me!).
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