Most reliable and shootable 9mm semi auto pistols

[RockAndSage]

Thats funny. I have had 3" kimber and springfield 1911's that were more reliable than a 5" performance center M&P. Right outta the box eating jhp's and swc's with only one bobble outta way to many rounds.

The man yall worship on here has a thread about $400 1911's.....................

I picked up a prodigy a while back. Spur of the moment deal. It needed a few parts to get running right. It's a prissy bitch and still doesnt like to be dirty.

But clean it every so often and it'll cycle whatever you stuff into its $35 mags. Comes with what may be the best sights I have ever used. Though the rear needed shaved down a tad. And the trigger is g2g outta the box. Would probly spend more money if I did it again. But it is easily the most shot gun I own.

If a guy was scared of opening up a gun and actually fixing something or even just swapping out a part or two.. maybe you might be right. But guns are just a box of parts. And things are not as complicated as you seem to think.

I'm not really sure where to start with this man, but nothing you've shared here changes the facts I shared above.

For starters, I can tell you this: if someone hasn't worn out at least one 1911 recoil spring, they don't have enough rounds on their gun to really know what its limitations are. How long it will go on one lube job with zero failures, in terms of both time and round count, being at the top of that. If they haven't put 500 rounds of their carry ammo downrange without cleaning or relubricating without failure, they don't know if their 1911 is reliable. I could name several more metrics here, but I run into very, very few people who actually have enough rounds on their 1911s or 2011s to know the first thing about the realities of whether their gun is "reliable". That's a uncomfortable truth, but it's a truth.

It's also one I don't have to say about Glocks, HKs, or the classic P-series Sigs - they're reliable right out of the box.

Every person I know who has more than 100,000 rounds on 1911s and 2011s says the same thing - they are not all the same, and company, model, and build quality each cause a "1911" or "2011" to be vastly different in reliability. Calling a 1911 "reliable" is like calling a "truck" reliable. It's not the same as Glocks, or Toyotas - 1911s are more like a category, like calling something "striker fired". With 1911s and 2011s, brand model, and build each matter. They are not all the same.

That said, they're better than they have ever been. And I find it fantastic that at least one company - Staccato - seems to have proven itself the exception to everything above. Before them, that just didn't exist. You might get a gem here or there, but there was no predictability. Glad to see it changing.

 

[zdc1775]

Were you able to deduce any relation to their effectiveness in reference to barrel length?

To be honest, I have almost exclusively used "commander" style guns, full sized grips with ~4-4.5" barreled guns, for the last 20ish years. So all my experience with ported guns and almost all with comped guns comes from that sized pistol. With those the best way I can describe the differences in effectiveness, outside of the added weight from some of the comps, is that it has mostly came down to the size, shape, and angles of the holes themselves.

With that being said, when I compared my wife's P320 X-Compact, my P-320 X-Carry, and a fellow instructor's custom P-320 (it uses an X-Carry grip and X-Compact slide with thread barrel and comp so it's almost exactly the same size as the X-Carry) and a P320 Specter Comp (X-Full grip with comped X-Carry slide); the custom short barrel was very noticeably different in how snappy the recoil felt between it and the X-Compact and only slightly noticeable compared to the X-Carry, while the Specter Comp was noticeable but much closer to the stock X-Carry. The few other true full sized guns guns I've tried with comps it's always seemed like the extra weight made more of a difference, but those have all been barrel or frame mounted comps that added length and weight to the gun as well as the comps themselves.

So they might be more effective on shorter barrels due to the higher port pressure, but I don't have enough experience with different comped/ported barrel lengths on similar guns to truly make that claim.

 

[Trogon]

2 hours of free time and some m carbo parts made mine tolerable.

-J

I bought the mcarbo parts (springs) and trigger. Lightly polished contact surfaces on the striker and trigger assembly. I still don't like the trigger, but being lighter makes it tolerable as you say. Beyond that its just a striker carry gun, so I'm just chalking it up to "is what it is".

 

[BlackHillsShooter]

Form, thanks for the Brouwer M1811 recommendation. Turned my M18 into a very nice handling gun. They got this right. Think I'll throw my 22 year old G19 in the safe .