Montana is #1 (well actually #50)

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When a good portion of highly paid workers across the country can make a living anywhere, the best states will be overtaken by non residents.

Most of my clients were independently wealthy, often from out of state, and 90% didn’t give a rats ass about schools, the other things that make up healthy well functioning town, or anything other than what they could get for free, and I do a little happy dance every time one of them drops dead.
 
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They want it un-affordable to put us tiny highrises in the dam city. It’s part of the plan.
It’s dang tough to make it as the middle class but I know there are people way worse off so I try not to complain to much….I see Detroit is affordable.


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All about demand. "Westward ho" is still a thing. And specific location is far more telling than just looking at state averages. For example, last time I checked per-capita income levels between Portland and Seattle (ber fed Bureau of Economic Analysis), people in Seattle were 47% higher than Portland. That's a helluva difference in affordability since living in Seattle is not 47% higher cost.
 
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Who is to blame the people selling or the people buying?

I don't mind folks selling their property; just sell it to someone who lives here already :ROFLMAO:

The $hit of it there is no financial advantage that your home doubled in value in five years, unless you want to leave the state. Just the opposite, the state has its' hand out to insure they get double their property tax :(.
 

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When a good portion of highly paid workers across the country can make a living anywhere, the best states will be overtaken by non residents.

Most of my clients were independently wealthy, often from out of state, and 90% didn’t give a rats ass about schools, the other things that make up healthy well functioning town, or anything other than what they could get for free, and I do a little happy dance every time one of them drops dead.

Are you an escort?
 

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Idaho is only 2 behind you.... I just got my PERSI letter Monday. Needless to say, if I actually retired with my goverment job, my wife and I will have to move to retire somewhere. My retirement won't be able to allow us to live here.

Have actually looked hard at moving to MT, been looking for work but the pay is killing me.
 

buffybr

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My house is about 5 miles outside of Bozangles. The house was a 1900 sf tri-level on a 3 acre hillside that I bought in 1978 for $75,000. The 7 acres behind it was also available for $4,000, which I also bought. That 7 acres is completely landlocked, with the only access to it from my driveway. The lower acre of that parcel has about a 10% slope, then the next 6 acres are up and over a hillside that is too steep for a 4wd pickup.

My last property tax bill listed the "market value" of that 7 acres as $421,949 and an annual property tax of $1,050. That's a 10,549% increase in the "market value" of that inaccessible raw land!

Today only the very wealthy can afford to move to Montana.
 

ThunderJack49

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I've been building homes in montana off and on for the last ten years and a majority of them are either high end custom homes that are primarily vacation homes. Sometimes they are a primary residence but often then the folks are just moving to montana to "try things out". I used to build spec homes for developers but even those are unaffordable to most residents.
 

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Who is to blame the people selling or the people buying?

If there were only buyers and sellers this might be valid, but you've got hedge fund builders and investors (a new development near me was built by BlackRock) doing things to local economies via overbuilding and densifying that negatively affect the rest of the world. Sure, my house value goes up, but not enough to even get close to incentivize me to sell because i can afford nothing else in the area.

It is yet again the Tragedy of the Commons. Apparently we can't learn...
 
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