MeatEater with Tucker Carlson

[Hondo]

Of course not, you're extrapolating from a point I haven't even asserted.

I'm finding that those who are poor at arguing put words into others' mouths so that they can argue with them more effectively.

I'm not here to argue with you. I was just trying to understand your point of view based on the words that you wrote. I suppose I would need to read some of the other Meateater threads referenced to have better context and that is something I am somewhat unlikely to do as we are approaching fall.

I'm not a Meateater apologist BTW. I really enjoyed Rinella's American Buffalo but have had mixed feelings since then. Carry on and good hunting to you.

 

[Billinsd]

Who is Tucker Carlson?

One of the most popular and influential Conservatives in the country. He's got a popular show on Fox. He's related to the Swanson family, so he's extremely wealthy. He's the antichrist to liberals.

 

[Dos Perros]

I'm not here to argue with you. I was just trying to understand your point of view based on the words that you wrote. I suppose I would need to read some of the other Meateater threads referenced to have better context and that is something I am somewhat unlikely to do as we are approaching fall.

I'm not a Meateater apologist BTW. I really enjoyed Rinella's American Buffalo but have had mixed feelings since then. Carry on and good hunting to you.

Understood. I'll try to boil it down succinctly.

Rinella used to be really good. I felt his perspective was fresh, unique, that he was sincere, modest, and true to himself and his beliefs. It didn't matter then if what he did earned him notoriety or not. He was what he was, take it or leave it. I felt he was trustworthy. There's a nobility in the starving artist that I respect. It demonstrates a belief and commitment in one's core tenants. Conversely, I'll admit I do lots of things I believe to be silly or a waste of time because my employer pays me to. That's where Rinella is now.

Now he's gotta maximize the profits, his own values or beliefs be damned. I can't tell what he believes or doesn't believe. He is not sincere. He's a mouthpiece. He's not a transformational leader or an innovator, he's a salesman. Simple as that. And to be clear I'm not really criticizing him, just stating that it makes me sad and disappointed. It's certainly possible Steve was thinking of his kids and his colleagues and their families when he signed on the dotted line. If you go back and search my posts you'll see I was supportive of the move and proud of Steve at the time. It's just that now I see I was wrong.

 

[CoStick]

One of the most popular and influential Conservatives in the country. He's got a popular show on Fox. He's related to the Swanson family, so he's extremely wealthy. He's the antichrist to liberals.

I picked up he is on cable from reading the thread. Thank you, I do not watch much television.

 

[coloyooper]

New here from Chicago, IL

Ok cool. Hook em!

 

[Hondo]

Understood. I'll try to boil it down succinctly.

Rinella used to be really good. I felt his perspective was fresh, unique, that he was sincere, modest, and true to himself and his beliefs. It didn't matter then if what he did earned him notoriety or not. He was what he was, take it or leave it. I felt he was trustworthy. There's a nobility in the starving artist that I respect. It demonstrates a belief and commitment in one's core tenants. Conversely, I'll admit I do lots of things I believe to be silly or a waste of time because my employer pays me to. That's where Rinella is now.

Now he's gotta maximize the profits, his own values or beliefs be damned. I can't tell what he believes or doesn't believe. He is not sincere. He's a mouthpiece. He's not a transformational leader or an innovator, he's a salesman. Simple as that. And to be clear I'm not really criticizing him, just stating that it makes me sad and disappointed. It's certainly possible Steve was thinking of his kids and his colleagues and their families when he signed on the dotted line. If you go back and search my posts you'll see I was supportive of the move and proud of Steve at the time. It's just that now I see I was wrong.

Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. We are on the same page now and a good part of my mixed feelings about him as of late stem from this very issue. We've all seen the betrayal of core principles for personal gain play out time and time again. Sadly sellouts rarely return to their roots, Hallmark Movies excluded, but I'm still hoping.

 

[ODB]

Understood. I'll try to boil it down succinctly.

Rinella used to be really good. I felt his perspective was fresh, unique, that he was sincere, modest, and true to himself and his beliefs. It didn't matter then if what he did earned him notoriety or not. He was what he was, take it or leave it. I felt he was trustworthy. There's a nobility in the starving artist that I respect. It demonstrates a belief and commitment in one's core tenants. Conversely, I'll admit I do lots of things I believe to be silly or a waste of time because my employer pays me to. That's where Rinella is now.

Now he's gotta maximize the profits, his own values or beliefs be damned. I can't tell what he believes or doesn't believe. He is not sincere. He's a mouthpiece. He's not a transformational leader or an innovator, he's a salesman. Simple as that. And to be clear I'm not really criticizing him, just stating that it makes me sad and disappointed. It's certainly possible Steve was thinking of his kids and his colleagues and their families when he signed on the dotted line. If you go back and search my posts you'll see I was supportive of the move and proud of Steve at the time. It's just that now I see I was wrong.

Good reply. You echo my sentiments exactly.

I will state that I do not believe it is a coincidence that his wife was an exec for Miramar and Amazon publishing and that a major Hollywood type became an investor. These people travel in similar circles.

 

[TSAMP]

Understood. I'll try to boil it down succinctly.

Rinella used to be really good. I felt his perspective was fresh, unique, that he was sincere, modest, and true to himself and his beliefs. It didn't matter then if what he did earned him notoriety or not. He was what he was, take it or leave it. I felt he was trustworthy. There's a nobility in the starving artist that I respect. It demonstrates a belief and commitment in one's core tenants. Conversely, I'll admit I do lots of things I believe to be silly or a waste of time because my employer pays me to. That's where Rinella is now.

Now he's gotta maximize the profits, his own values or beliefs be damned. I can't tell what he believes or doesn't believe. He is not sincere. He's a mouthpiece. He's not a transformational leader or an innovator, he's a salesman. Simple as that. And to be clear I'm not really criticizing him, just stating that it makes me sad and disappointed. It's certainly possible Steve was thinking of his kids and his colleagues and their families when he signed on the dotted line. If you go back and search my posts you'll see I was supportive of the move and proud of Steve at the time. It's just that now I see I was wrong.

It's interesting to read the above. Much of your reasoning is based on what you "felt". Rightfully so, as it's only your opinion. Where everyone loses me is they begin to now argue about this topic like it's factually based to support their opinions. I bought the cookbook and was a avid listener until a couple years ago, so don't take this the wrong way. I've fallen off as a supporter like many of you, but I don't see any reason to drag the man I know little about.

If you asked me to guess why he's fallen from favor here, I'd suggest the biggest contribution would be nothing more than his rise in popularity. Akin to the "solids" crowd bring to cool for camo, some feel they are now to cool for Meateater. But that's just my opinion.

Don't take this as an attack on you Dos. I enjoy your content and what I see you say on here.

 

[fwafwow]

I applaud the omission of the “Rinella called Trump supporters Vanilla ISIS!” urban legend!

 

[Dos Perros]

It's interesting to read the above. Much of your reasoning is based on what you "felt". Rightfully so, as it's only your opinion. Where everyone loses me is they begin to now argue about this topic like it's factually based to support their opinions.

We may never know the 'facts.' I don't think that invalidates the various perspectives here. Some of the stuff people mention is easily demonstrable so it's not all squishy.

I'll concede humans are emotional creatures, as much as I try not to be. Some people are perceived to be more trustworthy just by how they look or how they dress, before they've ever spoken a word. We're funny like that.

Steve used to be on my list of Top 5 folks dead or alive to have dinner with (along with Ghengis Khan, Bo Jackson, divorced and alcoholic Jason Boland, and Teddy Roosevelt). Now I'd have to specify poor ass living in Miles City floating the iced up Missouri River in a canoe Steve, instead of sellout Steve.

 

[ODB]

If you asked me to guess why he's fallen from favor here, I'd suggest the biggest contribution would be nothing more than his rise in popularity.

For me, it has nothing to do with popularity. It has to do with what seems to be a shift in the overall tone of the show/company. I don’t connect with massive corporations and fast-paced e-commerce operations. I connect with a dude who thinks like me, has the same interests as me, and can tell a story I would want to be a part of.

he hasn’t told a good story since American Buffalo. Some of the shows touched on that aesthetic, but very, very few do any more. It’s a guy using his connections to do the same thing over and over.

he used to have a lasting quality about his work. Now, due to the nature of the business, it all feels so temporal; as if it is ready to expire the minute it’s published.

the world need less temporal shit, and more things of lasting quality.

 

[EastMT]

I know who he is by name but I don’t have cable/satellite so I’ve never seen his show. I quit all news from either side as I miss the old school “this is what happened today” news, not my opinion. If I don’t know which way a news anchor leans then they are a good news anchor. Those days are gone.

He seemed a little cocky, no more than me and the boys kicking each other in the balls after a couple beers, that’s just DC/NY personalities, no biggie.

Say what you will, I’m just glad he didn’t have that last cocky writer or the lady who was best friends with a fox back on……

I heard Meateater was buying General Motors next……..

 

[WRO]

I really enjoyed listening to Tucker, he's funny, articulate, and intelligent..

Most of all he's a free thinker which is rare these days.

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[mwebs]

I really enjoyed listening to Tucker, he's funny, articulate, and intelligent..

Most of all he's a free thinker which is rare these days.

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Listen I appreciate his perspective but a free thinker? I think not, he gets paid by FOX News for crying out loud. Free thinkers do not exist in mainstream media. We all need to realize it before we’re all screwed. And for the record I agree with most things he says but I know who writes his paychecks and I am not a sheep. Some times when everyone else listens to and says the same stuff from the same source it doesn’t matter if it’s CNN or FOX.

Bet your ass I like him and appreciate that he’s an outdoorsman.

We need free objective news and a third party to save our country how the hell do we make it happen?

 

[Mike7]

I am not as certain as some of you here that Steve has actually changed much of his core beliefs, but I think he may focus more on entertaining a larger audience now as mentioned, and be more careful or cautious now when dealing with political hot button topics or when interviewing people he may not agree with.

It might be more satisfying for some listeners here of his podcast to have him challenge guests more vigorously that they don't agree with, but that is not going to help him in being able to continue booking a varied group of nationally known guests on his show.

Once his show has run its course, he will probably be less worried about offending people...
maybe kind of like Oprah? Who would have ever guessed that she actually disliked whiteness while she was doing her show.

 

[Billinsd]

Listen I appreciate his perspective but a free thinker? I think not, he gets paid by FOX News for crying out loud. media.

Tucker is logical, intelligent, witty, and has a mind of his own. I think the other poster said free thinker and probably meant he has a mind of his own. That's my take

 

[Billinsd]

Who would have ever guessed that she actually disliked whiteness while she was doing her show.

From Merv Griffon to Oprah they have all been big phonies. I've never really watched any of their shows or cared the least about them. Your mileage may be different.

 

[robertchutch]

Please, tell me more about how oppressed you are. This took 2 seconds to find with a quick google search.

https://theundefeated.com/features/white

http://

I was just helping Robert with an article he was looking for. Have a great day!

No youre out making false equivalencies and reinforcing woke garbage.
The muh oppressed snowflake bit is the right wing back stop to prevent white folks for advocating for themselves the same as every other group does. Its old hat and again falls flat when one considers the effect that ideology and the lack of proper counter ideology has wrought on western nations.

 

[Okhotnik]

Understood. I'll try to boil it down succinctly.

Rinella used to be really good. I felt his perspective was fresh, unique, that he was sincere, modest, and true to himself and his beliefs. It didn't matter then if what he did earned him notoriety or not. He was what he was, take it or leave it. I felt he was trustworthy. There's a nobility in the starving artist that I respect. It demonstrates a belief and commitment in one's core tenants. Conversely, I'll admit I do lots of things I believe to be silly or a waste of time because my employer pays me to. That's where Rinella is now.

Now he's gotta maximize the profits, his own values or beliefs be damned. I can't tell what he believes or doesn't believe. He is not sincere. He's a mouthpiece. He's not a transformational leader or an innovator, he's a salesman. Simple as that. And to be clear I'm not really criticizing him, just stating that it makes me sad and disappointed. It's certainly possible Steve was thinking of his kids and his colleagues and their families when he signed on the dotted line. If you go back and search my posts you'll see I was supportive of the move and proud of Steve at the time. It's just that now I see I was wrong.

prayers sent. You're obviously under a tremendous amount of stress .I sincerely hope Rinella employs more woke juvenile propaganda

 

[mwebs]

Tucker is logical, intelligent, witty, and has a mind of his own. I think the other poster said free thinker and probably meant he has a mind of his own. That's my take

If you honestly believe, with all your conviction that he is speaking from his heart and not listening to the 10 producers and 20 executives behind his show. Not to mention the FOX news machine…. Then I don’t know what to say to you. Are you better than the flakes that listen to CNN? And if so please tell me how. Because his producers tell him to say things that make you feel good?

Wake the hell up everyone, we are being divided by a bunch of idiot politicians and news media idiots and we’re letting it happen. The truth is in the middle and where missing it because we feel like we should belong to one of two tribes and it’s idiotic.

The majority in the middle need to start getting their voices heard and this partisan bull shit needs to stop.

Who the **** cares if Tucker was on Meat Eater. There is a majority conservative on this site and the take is mixed because people have their jibblies hurt because Steve made money. That’s ******* capitalism.

I’m glad he was on the show, I love his show, but I dont kiss his feet. Wake up and realize whatever show you watch is not facts period.