McGuire Ballistics field and terminal reports

[Wrench]

Except no one ever explained there was a bullet weight difference, until I pried.

Probably because the weight difference on a minute DOC is inconsequential.

 

[Wrench]

There's a bullet weight difference in bergers with a piece of media stuck in the meplat vs those who are clear.....but it's not enough to matter.....but like the wall thickness here it does potentially make a difference in bullet upset, which matters.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

That would be helpful. This is like pulling teeth!

Yeah, I'm not exactly clear why I'm needing to make assumptions on the bullet construction from prior reading and then explain so much with the manufacturer here...

Except no one ever explained there was a bullet weight difference, until I pried.

I was aware there is a hollow cavity based on other reading and it seemed fairly obvious with that knowledge that the weight difference would be negligible to thicken that tiny area a little.

Sounds like my .1gr guess was right in the ballpark.

 

[amassi]

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[atmat]

nd then explain so much with the manufacturer here...

This is the mind boggling part. As a business owner: why come here to post photos if you’re unwilling to engage people in conversation or answer questions?

 

[SMC_GUIDE]

Substitute "weight difference" with "meplat wall th

Hey Sam thanks for sharing the data you have (been following you guys on Instagram for a while now) and the tumbling and fragmenting results look fantastic. Is there a range of impact velocity that you see the bullets most frequently tumble? Is that more common in the single feed vs mag feed? Thanks again!

Hey buddy, sorry this question go left behind. Hopefully some of the answers in other comments will help. Single Feed and magazine feed performance is basically identical until falure and the single feeds have allot lower minimum impact velocity before they reach falure. What we have found is if you are on the line of a bullets stability due to twist they can tumble or yaw after going past minimum expansion velocity. Bullets with higher stability can take longer to tumble after passing maximum effective velocities.

 

[SMC_GUIDE]

This is the mind boggling part. As a business owner: why come here to post photos if you’re unwilling to engage people in conversation or answer questions?

I'm doing my best sir. Feel free to turn me into moderator if you feel like I'm not doing a good enough job.

 

[Billy Goat]

I'm doing my best sir. Feel free to turn me into moderator if you feel like I'm not doing a good enough job.

I just feel like you are advertising, it's not about if you are explaining things good enough.


Seems spamming to me, but I ain't nobody.


I'd consider an advertiser package if you are going to be posting like this for your product. Definitely nice to have interaction with companies on here, get questions answered directly, and in the open.

 

[SMC_GUIDE]

300 Norma
168GR Long CRSF
3300MV
Four different animals
Bull 150 Yards
Mule deer 315 Yards
Cow Elk 311 Yards
Bull Elk 485 ham shot no pictures, was told it was a mess
All trauma pictures are entry holes. Elk no exit found but exits can be small and hard to detect, Mule deer small exit. Pictures are in order.

 

[SMC_GUIDE]

I just feel like you are advertising, it's not about if you are explaining things good enough.


Seems spamming to me, but I ain't nobody.


I'd consider an advertiser package if you are going to be posting like this for your product. Definitely nice to have interaction with companies on here, get questions answered directly, and in the open.

Hello sir, I am not hear to advertise, I am responding to claims about our bullets and educate on them. I would not be here otherwise.

 

[Billy Goat]

Hello sir, I am not hear to advertise, I am responding to claims about our bullets and educate on them. I would not be here otherwise.

Definitely seems like advertising.


If you were responding to claims, you wouldn't have started a thread, you would be responding in a thread that someone started that made claims.

 

[SMC_GUIDE]

What you got for .22 cal damage pics?




Asking for a friend.

Not at this time but we are working on and will post terminal pictures when we can.

 

[SMC_GUIDE]

Ok, yeah that makes sense. But why is everyone other than the manufacturer the only ones directly answering these questions?

Sorry, posted a picture of tip but I was told to pull down over proprietary reasons

 

[atmat]

Sorry, posted a picture of tip but I was told to pull down over proprietary reasons

Lol you’re the owner. Who is asking you to pull it down?

 

[Formidilosus]

93gr Copper Rose, single feed. BC had to be corrected to .450 G1 to get hits past 500 yards using a Garmin Xero live per shot. .450 G1 worked from muzzle to 1,100 yards in two states.




First animal. Elk, 2,980fps impact. Stumbled approx 30 yards after hit. No blood at all in snow.



Entrance through scapula:

Shoulder pulled up-


Fascia removed-



Entrance from Inside the rib cage- clear yawing




Onside lung- elongated wound:



Offside lung, elongated wound-




Exit through ribs with most of the bullet caught in the offside scapula, however a small piece did exit completely.

Exit ribs,



Exit side, scapula pulled up. It’s hard to see, however the exit through the ribs was an elongated wound as well- it’s more visible in the wound in the shoulder.




You can see the bullet diameter hole through the hide where a piece exited-






Overall the bullet preformed well. It very clearly yawed immediately after impacting the scapula, and continued all the way through the chest. How much of the yaw is due to the high impact velocity and/or the bone impact are the questions.

The low BC is a hindrance, however if this bullet consistently behaves this way (short neck length and then yawing), it will be the most damaging monolithic I have seen.

 

[WI-Carcosa]

93gr Copper Rose, single feed. BC had to be corrected to .450 G1 to get hits past 500 yards using a Garmin Xero live per shot. .450 G1 worked from muzzle to 1,100 yards in two states.




First animal. Elk, 2,980fps impact. Stumbled approx 30 yards after hit. No blood at all in snow.



Entrance through scapula:

Shoulder pulled up-
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Fascia removed-
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Entrance from Inside the rib cage- clear yawing
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Onside lung- elongated wound:
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Offside lung, elongated wound-
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Exit through ribs with most of the bullet caught in the offside scapula, however a small piece did exit completely.

Exit ribs,
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Exit side, scapula pulled up. It’s hard to see, however the exit through the ribs was an elongated wound as well- it’s more visible in the wound in the shoulder.

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You can see the bullet diameter hole through the hide where a piece exited-
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Overall the bullet preformed well. It very clearly is yawed immediately after impacting the scapula, and continued all the way through the chest. How much of the yaw is due to the high impact velocity and/or the bone impact are the questions.

The low BC is a hindrance, however if this bullet consistently behaves this way (short mech length and then yawing), it will be the most damaging monolithic I have seen.

Thanks for sharing. Form, could this bullet theoretically be like a mono DTAC if it was nose ringed for more consistent tumbling?

 

[Formidilosus]

Thanks for sharing. Form, could this bullet theoretically be like a mono DTAC if it was nose ringed for more consistent tumbling?

Ehh. I’m not sure. It’s not as simple as nose ringing, I don’t think. The hollow nose, and then wherever mechanism is causing it to tumble are both variables. And then you ah r the .45 G1 BC- that’s pretty bad.

I absolutely would not take the behavior of this one instance as that they all perform similarly, or that even this bullet will consistently do so. Everything was in this bullets favor- very high impact velocity, and it was purposely put it directly through the scapula. We need to see more.

 

[WI-Carcosa]

Ehh. I’m not sure. It’s not as simple as nose ringing, I don’t think. The hollow nose, and then wherever mechanism is causing it to tumble are both variables. And then you ah r the .45 G1 BC- that’s pretty bad.

I absolutely would not take the behavior of this one instance as that they all perform similarly, or that even this bullet will consistently do so. Everything was in this bullets favor- very high impact velocity, and it was purposely put it directly through the scapula. We need to see more.

Fair Points and I agree. The reason I thought nose ring was given the inconsistency with tumbling, if that would push it over the edge for more consistent tumbles. The ones that do tumble look like awesome wound channels. Looking forward to seeing more.

 

[SDHNTR]

How far off were you at 500 using the box BC? Which is?

 

[Formidilosus]

How far off were you at 500 using the box BC? Which is?

The stated G1 BC is .500. At 500 yards it was .1 mil off. Initially I trued at 960, but did not change anything even though everything was low. Then I trued 2-3 days later at 1,100 yards and had to correct the BC- the Garmin measured every shots MV. All closer ranges were good in elevation. Then checked it again in another state the next day at 913 yards- elevation was perfect.