List of Companies Still Sponsoring/Partnering with Convicted Wildlife Violators

Billy Goat said:
I think everyone hit pause for a second before posting, I'm tired of things getting locked.



I have been trying to mostly stay out of these now. Keep comments on the rails, no need to post digs on anyone. Let everyone calm down just a bit.
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You realize that 100% of people posting here are completely calm right? Just because it offends your sensibilities doesn't mean people are screaming at their computer screens and getting their blood pressure up.

You do understand that Internet forums are not real life right?
 
alexnelon said:
I keep seeing people say this, but I haven’t been able to find any record of him taking personal responsibility for his actions or acknowledging he did anything wrong. Aside from his guilty plea, of course.

I would love to hear him say it though if you can point me towards it.
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I believe he posted something of the sort on instagram when the whole tricer drama was going around.
 
thinhorn_AK said:
You realize that 100% of people posting here are completely calm right? Just because it offends your sensibilities doesn't mean people are screaming at their computer screens and getting their blood pressure up.

You do understand that Internet forums are not real life right?
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I really doubt 100%.

There's plenty that seem like a dog hanging out the window who saw a squirrel.
 
Look, I'm understanding of people making mistakes when hunting, there can be a fine line with certain things and some of the reg books are thick. Obviously everyone should do their due diligents and cover the regs thoroughly.

Now, when guys are going out of there way that don't have tags and killing things, killing in a different unit then punching your tag for the one you were supposed to kill in, cutting heads off and leaving waste. This is the stuff that needs to have severe consequences. Minimum 5 year bans for 1st offense plus fines, second offense should be lifetime for blatant disregard of hunting laws like the ones I stated.

If your willing to do it twice you will never change, once I can see having another chance as long as the penalty is stiff enough to deter the guy from doing it again.

My 2 cents.
 
Billy Goat said:
I really doubt 100%.

There's plenty that seem like a dog hanging out the window who saw a squirrel.
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I think people need to stop pretending they know what people are doing in real life. Just because there's a conversation on a semi-sensitive topic doesn't mean anybody is really that upset. "seems" docent matter when reading internet stuff and its a major cop out when people start telling others how they feel.

These poacher types piss me off just as much as the next but I just checked my cardia and I'm cruising along at 53 beats per minute while eating oatmeal and thinking of lesbian jokes to tell my co worker when he gets here.
 
I don’t get the Bowmar one. “Conspiring” to violate the Lacey act never actually violating the Lacey act. There was never solid evidence to book either of them. Are people still mad about the legal spearing deal? I guess I’d say you’d have to remove his name because we have all conspired to shoot a buck or bull on the other side of the fence or the day before season scouting. The difference is we didn’t but it still is Conspiring.


On Alwine worst part of the case is the landlord got a merely slap on the wrist alwine took the brunt. I don’t know if he knew buying tags was illegal or not? Other western states allow it.
 
Stache Attack said:
I don’t get the Bowmar one. “Conspiring” to violate the Lacey act never actually violating the Lacey act. There was never solid evidence to book either of them. Are people still mad about the legal spearing deal? I guess I’d say you’d have to remove his name because we have all conspired to shoot a buck or bull on the other side of the fence or the day before season scouting. The difference is we didn’t but it still is Conspiring.


On Alwine worst part of the case is the landlord got a merely slap on the wrist alwine took the brunt. I don’t know if he knew buying tags was illegal or not? Other western states allow it.
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Bowmar was involved in a bit more than a conspiracy.
 
Stache Attack said:
I don’t get the Bowmar one. “Conspiring” to violate the Lacey act never actually violating the Lacey act. There was never solid evidence to book either of them. Are people still mad about the legal spearing deal? I guess I’d say you’d have to remove his name because we have all conspired to shoot a buck or bull on the other side of the fence or the day before season scouting. The difference is we didn’t but it still is Conspiring.


On Alwine worst part of the case is the landlord got a merely slap on the wrist alwine took the brunt. I don’t know if he knew buying tags was illegal or not? Other western states allow it.
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I think this is confusing the idea of dreaming/BSing/joking about doing something vs the legal aspect of conspiring to do something. Legally for conspiracy a person doesn't have to actually "do" the things that were conspired (if I recall correctly from a recent stint on a federal grand jury which was pretty interesting), but the person(s) need to have done some "over act toward furthering the agreement."
 
WeiserBucks said:
Almost all poaching cases are misdemeanors.
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If they had a poaching charge with evidence I figured they would pin it to him not drop it is all I’m saying.

@WhatToHunt good point there I don’t know where that line is legally and I assume it goes to how one’s peers judge the actions. If I say to 2 people is it conspiring or does it need to be more or be headed to the spot to do so.

Getting off topic here so I’ll stop posting before thread is ruined.
 
Stache Attack said:
If they had a poaching charge with evidence I figured they would pin it to him not drop it is all I’m saying.

@WhatToHunt good point there I don’t know where that line is legally and I assume it goes to how one’s peers judge the actions. If I say to 2 people is it conspiring or does it need to be more or be headed to the spot to do so.

Getting off topic here so I’ll stop posting before thread is ruined.
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My last reply (I think) before ruining the thread too. Ha! Yeah, in this situation (overall for all defendants) my understanding is the animals were killed illegally, according to the District Court press release. So when they broke that law, then the Lacey Act came into play when those people (hunters and/or outfitter folks) planned/communicated/conspired to get those animals from one state to another, which if they actually moved across state lines would be violating the Act. For the conspiracy part, it could have been simple text exchanges like, "Make sure you have those horns wrapped in foam for my drive back to WI. I'll be there on Friday to pick them up." Likely a lot of texts or other digital evidence showing an obvious plan. Feds could get the phone or social media records to demonstrate the overt act, boom they just got enough evidence to show the people were in a conspiracy to violate the Act, even if they didn't yet get around to moving animals to another state. They (two or more people) planned to commit a federal crime.

If you and I were simply texting about a big buck over the fence that would be a dream to kill and how sweet it would be... Hard to show conspiracy unless one of us did an overt act to further that plan. It's just BSing.
 
What do you expect when people are essentially "paid" to hunt? Modern day market hunter.

I equate it to the fitness industry where everyone claims natural, but those in the know, know. Anyone getting paid for something and has their livelihood at stake is pushing the limits hoping they won't get caught.
 
Stache Attack said:
Misdemeanor, I guess it was real serious. Hey I’m just stating court documents not speculation.
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You clearly did not read the charging documents, the feds had them dead to rights. The other charges for illegally shooting deer over bait and shooting multiple turkeys without a valid license were dropped after a long court process, and they paid several hundred thousand dollars in fines.

This is probably the most frustrating part of our legal system not taking game violations that seriously- it's easy to cut a plea deal and then go on about "the government overcharged me, I wasn't trespassing, etc etc." There is ample evidence to suggest that Josh and Sarah Bowmar poached multiple animals in Nebraska and were aware of what they were doing. There are multiple court cases (in multiple states!) that have proven Erik Van Woerkom of MuleyFreak has trespassed to to kill animals for content.

It's not some misunderstanding, these things actually happened, no matter how much the offenders try to mislead their audience about it.
 
I do seem to lump both illegal activities and unethical practices into one category and don’t support companies that support both illegal and unethical
One I saw the other day was filmed in Africa so it being illegal wasn’t a factor
But it IMO was under the umbrella of unethical
And that was some guys shooting animals in a small pen to test hypothesis on bullets and terminal performance, I might be to judgmental on ethical behavior ?
But I have been in the industry since the 1990’s and ImO people are now more likely to cross boundaries to get content and pocket money to support their lifestyle. I defer any finger pointing to avoid the obvious reasons on what others consider illegal or unethical
 
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