List of Companies Still Sponsoring/Partnering with Convicted Wildlife Violators

[PNWTO]

Tim Sundles- Buffalo Bore (killed a lot of pets trying to whack wolves, Google it)

While not convicted and/or charged, Randy Newberg’s definitely weaves the line in conduct to ensure they pay the minimum bill to land management agencies. (FOIA some folks for that one.)

 

[wowzers]

Tim Sundles- Buffalo Bore (killed a lot of pets trying to whack wolves, Google it)

While not convicted and/or charged, Randy Newberg’s definitely weaves the line in conduct to ensure they pay the minimum bill to land management agencies. (FOIA some folks for that one.)

You need to provide some evidence for what you’re saying and by your own admission it doesn’t look like you can.

 

[Raghornklr]

Tim Sundles- Buffalo Bore (killed a lot of pets trying to whack wolves, Google it)

While not convicted and/or charged, Randy Newberg’s definitely weaves the line in conduct to ensure they pay the minimum bill to land management agencies. (FOIA some folks for that one.)

Newberg is an accountant first. Would you hire a cpa who tried to pay the maximum in taxes? It’d be out of character if he didn’t go for the lowest amount.

 

[HairyScandinavian]

Newberg is an accountant first. Would you hire a cpa who tried to pay the maximum in taxes? It’d be out of character if he didn’t go for the lowest amount.

Yeah definitely think he's probably just good at it lol.

 

[PNWTO]

You need to provide some evidence for what you’re saying and by your own admission it doesn’t look like you can.

The former claim is definitely much easier to verify than the latter. And frankly, it’s two completely different things. Buffalo Bore should be avoided anyway with their business practices; but Tim Sundles is a POS.

Hindsight, I should’ve kept the second assertion to myself, as it isn’t exactly a “wildlife crime”. Newberg isn’t in violation of any part 36 CFR; and I never said he is. Just some convenient “use” definitions and inconsistencies. Although there is one TV network that is much, much worse.

Pardon my derail.

 

[velvet muley]

The former claim is definitely much easier to verify than the latter. And frankly, it’s two completely different things. Buffalo Bore should be avoided anyway with their business practices; but Tim Sundles is a POS.

Hindsight, I should’ve kept the second assertion to myself, as it isn’t exactly a “wildlife crime”. Newberg isn’t in violation of any part 36 CFR; and I never said he is. Just some convenient “use” definitions and inconsistencies. Although there is one TV network that is much, much worse.

Pardon my derail.

Randy Newberg probably does more for the future of hunting and conservation than everyone on this thread put together, I'm not even talking about being a Youtuber or a hunting social media personality.

He is probably one of if not the most involved advocates for our hunting future/public lands that I know of, I know that people have an issue with him and blowing up certain areas on T.V. but if just a handful of us put in the effort he does to advocate for our hunting future we would all be in a better situation.

 

[grfox92]

I look at poachers two different ways.

You’ve got guys who make honest mistakes… maybe they shoot a buck that’s only 2pt in a 3pt+ unit because it looked like there was an extra point through glass and it was a quick shot… or some other honest mistake.

It happens. They didn’t mean to do it, and so long as they do the right thing all is well.

Then you’ve got guys who knowingly poach. They know they’re out of a permit boundary but shoot a bull anyway. They know they’re on private. They know the season doesn’t start until next week.

The latter are irredeemable. The only thing getting caught is teaching them is how to better cover their tracks. They’re not going to stop - they’re going to figure out how they got caught, and then try their best to mitigate it in the future.

I think poaching with intent should be a felony. Trying to hit poachers with hunting bans isn’t gonna work because they’re already breaking the law. Felony means they lose their firearm rights and it would have a larger impact.

Im sorry but someone who accidentally shoots a 2 point instead of a 3 point should not be labeled a poacher. That's just an honest mistake.

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[JeffRaines]

The biggest thing that I'm confused by is that we have the Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact, which in theory should cause violators to lose hunting rights in almost every state during that period. Obviously there's ways around it like hunting internationally, but lately it seems like there's a lot of influencers that get a carve out in their plea bargains.

Josh Bowmar saying a Lacey Act violation was like a speeding ticket was actually sort of right, but not in the way that he meant it. Government prosecutors basically treat extreme game violations that would make all of us blush like they're essentially a traffic ticket. Let the person plea down, pay a fine, and be on their way.

On the flip side- you can hit them with a felony, but they can still bow hunt, and in many states muzzleloader hunt. I've been deeply suspicious of the big push to add high powered air rifles to the roster of weapons in many states because it just feels like another work around to sell products to people who would otherwise be disqualified.

They can still bow hunt or muzzy hunt, sure... and I don't think the threat of a felony would completely eliminate poaching, but I'd like to think it would cause some to think twice. Imagine giving up your firearms rights just because you wanted to shoot that deer on private? Seems like a dumb tradeoff to me, but then again I don't poach, either. If I don't fill my tag I don't fill my tag, there's always next year... I'd rather be able to say I filled it cleanly 100% above the board than on some shitty circumstances that I hope no one finds out about.

Im sorry but someone who accidentally shoots a 2 point instead of a 3 point should not be labeled a poacher. That's just an honest mistake.

By definition they poached, but I agree with you 100%. It's an honest mistake, and we're only human.

 

[StuckoYota99]

This forum is devolving into a degenerate sub Reddit

 

[Neverenoughhntn]

I kind of feel like wildlife laws are lagging behind modern times, and aren’t necessarily structured to deal with the relatively recent influencer age and business model it’s become. Ideally, in my mind, if influencer X gets a felony wildlife conviction, or is a proven repeat offender (convicted of x number violations), then prosecutors should be able to go after all hunting/gear revenue generated by said influencer. … seems like there’s enough money being made by some of these individuals, that paying a fine and enduring a bit of scrutiny isn’t enough of a deterrent, as the general populous has a short attention span won’t remember 6 months down the road.

 

[HairyScandinavian]

I kind of feel like wildlife laws are lagging behind modern times, and aren’t necessarily structured to deal with the relatively recent influencer age and business model it’s become. Ideally, in my mind, if influencer X gets a felony wildlife conviction, or is a proven repeat offender (convicted of x number violations), then prosecutors should be able to go after all hunting/gear revenue generated by said influencer. … seems like there’s enough money being made by some of these individuals, that paying a fine and enduring a bit of scrutiny isn’t enough of a deterrent, as the general populous has a short attention span won’t remember 6 months down the road.

Yep, in the past it was poor people shooting deer out of season to feed the family or some DA who just happened across a big buck/bull and couldn't resist. This new breed is intentionally pushing all the limits for profit. They're harder to catch too because they're going in with intent. If breaking the law ends up cheaper than tags there's literally zero reason for them to stop. I like it being a felony if someone goes in with intent.

 

[JeffRaines]

I kind of feel like wildlife laws are lagging behind modern times, and aren’t necessarily structured to deal with the relatively recent influencer age and business model it’s become. Ideally, in my mind, if influencer X gets a felony wildlife conviction, or is a proven repeat offender (convicted of x number violations), then prosecutors should be able to go after all hunting/gear revenue generated by said influencer. … seems like there’s enough money being made by some of these individuals, that paying a fine and enduring a bit of scrutiny isn’t enough of a deterrent, as the general populous has a short attention span won’t remember 6 months down the road.

I don’t think it should be a “x number of violations”. If you’re an influencer/hunting personality the rules should be even stricter.

Mandatory felony. Relinquish all hunting gear with a lifetime ban on making a living hunting in general. Something with some real teeth.

Maybe even make something like an “influencer” permit. Sounds dumb, but it would further fund conservation if done correctly, and would enable the agencies to set different, stricter rules for them. Get caught filming without it and it’s also a felony. Make it hurt.

These are guys who are the face of hunting, and while I do not agree with influencer culture at all unfortunately we’re never putting the toothpaste back in the tube. Best we can do is mitigate it as much as possible, and this should be the way forward.

 

[Air Bear]

Randy Newberg probably does more for the future of hunting and conservation than everyone on this thread put together, I'm not even talking about being a Youtuber or a hunting social media personality.

He is probably one of if not the most involved advocates for our hunting future/public lands that I know of, I know that people have an issue with him and blowing up certain areas on T.V. but if just a handful of us put in the effort he does to advocate for our hunting future we would all be in a better situation.

I agree, im off of influencer videos as of this lampers thing, but what Newberg did in DC this summer for public lands…the man deserves an award or two.

 

[Air Bear]

I don’t think it should be a “x number of violations”. If you’re an influencer/hunting personality the rules should be even stricter.

Mandatory felony. Relinquish all hunting gear with a lifetime ban on making a living hunting in general. Something with some real teeth.

Maybe even make something like an “influencer” permit. Sounds dumb, but it would further fund conservation if done correctly, and would enable the agencies to set different, stricter rules for them. Get caught filming without it and it’s also a felony. Make it hurt.

These are guys who are the face of hunting, and while I do not agree with influencer culture at all unfortunately we’re never putting the toothpaste back in the tube. Best we can do is mitigate it as much as possible, and this should be the way forward.

DWI violations are harsher for CDL holders.

 

[Air Bear]

Man, i get all the way to the end of this thread and the “list” is still the same as the first post! Think im going to go sit on the porch and watch my neighbor try to do some tree work. Will check back for “List_FinalCopy” later.

 

[robby denning]

This forum is devolving into a degenerate sub Reddit

I don’t disagree, so remember to stick up for us when we lock various threads because they take away from the site. Mod life is a bitch sometimes.

Man, i get all the way to the end of this thread and the “list” is still the same as the first post! Think im going to go sit on the porch and watch my neighbor try to do some tree work. Will check back for “List_FinalCopy” later.

OP he has done a good job of moderating his own thread. That’s why it’s here, but yeah, you’re not wrong.