Lightweight scope that dials with zero stop, does it exist?

[OdinIII]

No point in marketing a product when the company historically has little to no inventory. SWFA has chronic supply chain issues going back years (pre-Covid) and they still haven’t figured it out.

Anyone know why they can’t just order more? I’m assuming they make money selling them. I don’t understand why they can’t take the number sold per year and add 25-50% to each order until they start approaching the true demand.

I own zero SWFA scopes and would own at least 3 if they where available when I was looking. I would also recommend them to friends but they aren’t in stock every time I look.

 

[BjornF16]

Anyone know why they can’t just order more? I’m assuming they make money selling them. I don’t understand why they can’t take the number sold per year and add 25-50% to each order until they start approaching the true demand.

I own zero SWFA scopes and would own at least 3 if they where available when I was looking. I would also recommend them to friends but they aren’t in stock every time I look.

Overseas supply chain.

There’s probably lots moored off of CA coast waiting to be unloaded as we type.

I’ve got a 3-9 HD on backorder as well as 2.5-10 and 3-15. May need to put 1-6Hd on back order as well.

I had “notify me” in place for 2.5-10… ordered as soon as I received email. Looked like it was in stock when I ordered. A week later I called asking where it was…I was told on backorder

 

[AZ_Hunter_2000]

Anyone know why they can’t just order more? I’m assuming they make money selling them. I don’t understand why they can’t take the number sold per year and add 25-50% to each order until they start approaching the true demand.

I own zero SWFA scopes and would own at least 3 if they where available when I was looking. I would also recommend them to friends but they aren’t in stock every time I look.

Great question.

Similar situation myself.

 

[AZ_Hunter_2000]

Overseas supply chain.

There’s probably lots moored off of CA coast waiting to be unloaded as we type.

I’ve got a 3-9 HD on backorder as well as 2.5-10 and 3-15. May need to put 1-6Hd on back order as well.

I had “notify me” in place for 2.5-10… ordered as soon as I received email. Looked like it was in stock when I ordered. A week later I called asking where it was…I was told on backorder

SWFA’s chronic inventory issues pre-date Covid.

 

[Formidilosus]

Anyone know why they can’t just order more? I’m assuming they make money selling them. I don’t understand why they can’t take the number sold per year and add 25-50% to each order until they start approaching the true demand.

They have every year. People are not grasping how many people are buying SWFA’s comparatively.

And, it isn’t like you just order another 25 scopes when you get low. They are made in batches.

 

[sneaky]

SWFA’s chronic inventory issues pre-date Covid.

It ensures a consistent demand for them. Customers don't shop around if they know they're hardly ever in stock once they see them on their page. If they were always on hand people would be more prone to overanalyze and drag their feet. The way it is now they're presold and keeps demand high.

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[AZ_Hunter_2000]

It ensures a consistent demand for them. Customers don't shop around if they know they're hardly ever in stock once they see them on their page. If they were always on hand people would be more prone to overanalyze and drag their feet. The way it is now they're presold and keeps demand high.

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So are you also cool if that same approach was applied to ammunition and component companies? After all, it keeps demand consistently high and prevents people from over analyzing what to shoot out of their firearm.

As far as SWFA is concerned, it’s hard for customers to make an impulse purchase if there’s no product to buy. It also is a great way to push potential customers to other companies that deem it wise to actually keep some level of inventory.

At the end of the day they can run their business how they want to.

 

[Dobermann]

So are you also cool if that same approach was applied to ammunition and component companies? After all, it keeps demand consistently high and prevents people from over analyzing what to shoot out of their firearm.

As far as SWFA is concerned, it’s hard for customers to make an impulse purchase if there’s no product to buy. It also is a great way to push potential customers to other companies that deem it wise to actually keep some level of inventory.

At the end of the day they can run their business how they want to.

I hear what you're saying ...

But then, I've been reflecting on how I've wanted to 'impulse buy' an SWFA 1-6 for more than two years now, and grab another SWFA 3-9 to swap out on an existing rig ... if I'd just bought them two years ago, I've had have a lot of use on them by now ...

 

[Trogon]

I know you cant 100% correlate reticle plumb using the turret, but here is a VX-5 that reticle tilted off to the left more than a full bubble. 4-5 seasons of "normal" backpack hunting. No 18, 3x36, or 8ft drops on this one.

Its like there is a pattern and theme....

 

[SDHNTR]

I know you cant 100% correlate reticle plumb using the turret, but here is a VX-5 that reticle tilted off to the left more than a full bubble. 4-5 seasons of "normal" backpack hunting. No 18, 3x36, or 8ft drops on this one.

Its like there is a pattern and theme....

How do we know the rifle is level? You may be right, but we certainly can’t say so from your picture.

Additionally, it’s always going to be off some when leveling from top of the turret because the turret is threaded. So in one position it could be off to the left, rotate 180° and it will be off to the right. It’s just a function of any sort of threaded screw. Threads aren’t level by design. Level off the flat spot under the turret assembly, or use a plumb bob. But only when the RIFLE IS LEVEL too.

 

[Formidilosus]

Additionally, it’s always going to be off some when leveling from top of the turret because the turret is threaded. So in one position it could be off to the left, rotate 180° and it will be off to the right. It’s just a function of any sort of threaded screw. Threads aren’t level by design. Level off the flat spot under the turret assembly, or use a plumb bob. But only when the RIFLE IS LEVEL too.

While his may or may not be level, Leupold Spec is 3 degrees, and no hand level can see the difference because of threads.

 

[Trogon]

Rifle is sitting in an atlas bipod on a dead level kitchen island. Yes the flat on the bottom is the best reference and yes I’m aware of how to use a plumb to align the reticle with vertical. But that doesn’t make for an informative photo.

The reticle was aligned with vertical and installed by gunsmith (k weaver) and checked by me (fwiw).

Reticle is canted to the left when scope body is level. I loosened up mounts and rotated until reticle was vertical. The delta is what you see in the bubble.

 

[SDHNTR]

Rifle is sitting in an atlas bipod on a dead level kitchen island. Yes the flat on the bottom is the best reference and yes I’m aware of how to use a plumb to align the reticle with vertical. But that doesn’t make for an informative photo.

The reticle was aligned with vertical and installed by gunsmith (k weaver) and checked by me (fwiw).

Reticle is canted to the left when scope body is level. I loosened up mounts and rotated until reticle was vertical. The delta is what you see in the bubble.

I can’t say I’m surprised.

 

[Novice]

Are the Steiner Predator 4 scopes considered reliable and rugged?

 

[wind gypsy]

I know you cant 100% correlate reticle plumb using the turret, but here is a VX-5 that reticle tilted off to the left more than a full bubble. 4-5 seasons of "normal" backpack hunting. No 18, 3x36, or 8ft drops on this one.

Its like there is a pattern and theme....

Does it track straight up and down? Seems surprisingly off but I don't know why it matters if a plumb reticle tracks straight up and down.

 

[Trogon]

Does it track straight up and down? Seems surprisingly off but I don't know why it matters if a plumb reticle tracks straight up and down.

Just checked visually at the house, looked ok. But it went from being vertical to cockeyed, so something shifted internally. Its already in the mail back to leupold. No reason to waste ammo remounting it and shooting targets to test what went wrong.

 

[deadwolf]

Rifle is sitting in an atlas bipod on a dead level kitchen island. Yes the flat on the bottom is the best reference and yes I’m aware of how to use a plumb to align the reticle with vertical. But that doesn’t make for an informative photo.

The reticle was aligned with vertical and installed by gunsmith (k weaver) and checked by me (fwiw).

Reticle is canted to the left when scope body is level. I loosened up mounts and rotated until reticle was vertical. The delta is what you see in the bubble.

I had this very thing happen recently when mounting a Swaro Z3 for a friend. Brand new scope, leveled everything up perfect, and the reticle was clearly canted left. It is back at Swaro now and they determined the reticle had shifted and are repairing it now. I tried to get him to ask for a refund, so he could buy a nightforce and not have to worry about it again


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[Fatcamp]

Reliability being the most important trait…

All I care about in the end.

 

[Trogon]

I had this very thing happen recently when mounting a Swaro Z3 for a friend. Brand new scope, leveled everything up perfect, and the reticle was clearly canted left. It is back at Swaro now and they determined the reticle had shifted and are repairing it now. I tried to get him to ask for a refund, so he could buy a nightforce and not have to worry about it again


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Yeah, these threads have me saving for some changes to my systems. ...

 

[deadwolf]

Yeah, these threads have me saving for some changes to my systems. ...

It is unfortunate when we see these issues from companies we know to be reputable and that typically have a good product. Luckily we have the forum and a wealth of knowledge here, that if we wade through it all, we’ll buy the right scope the first time


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